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Wamu WKN 893906 News ! lander
lander:

Bitte Bitte

6
09.12.10 17:44
...endlich mal die IGNOTASTE zum Einsatz bringen !

DANKE !

MfG.L:(
"Ein jeder gibt den Wert sich selbst"

"Der Schein regiert die Welt, und die Gerechtigkeit ist nur auf der Bühne".(Parasit)

Und es herrscht der Erde Gott, das Geld.(An die Freude)

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Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Moses2010
Moses2010:

noenough

2
09.12.10 17:46
ich weis das du so heisst...aber eingebildet bist du wohl nicht??das du in DEINEM Revier bist haaahahh wir auch...und ich weis genau wann ich kaufen oder verkaufen muss und brauche keine sogenannten Besserwisser.Punkt Schluss.
Gruesse aus dem Kaeseland
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! ercoan
ercoan:

@all

 
09.12.10 17:46
Nun lasst es mal gut sein, neonough ist nun mal so (liustig). Aber im ernst,Kesi, kannst Du mal kurz auf deutsch die Premissen der Post von Ilene reinstellen, mein englisch ist nicht so.
Danke im Voraus.
ercoan
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! lander
lander:

Interesting BK article from 2002 (I Hub)

6
09.12.10 17:48
investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=57558966

Zitat:

Interesting BK article from 2002

bankruptcy Doctors Are Most Definitely In

July 14, 2002

Source: The New York Times

ENRON. Global Crossing. Kmart. Soon, probably WorldCom.

For investors, these spectacular corporate flameouts represent the perfect storm. But for a cadre of Wall Street bankers, they are opportunities.

When the markets were soaring in the late 1990's, this crowd of bankruptcy reorganization specialists was praying for rain. Lately, the rain has become a downpour. "This is boom time," said Henry S. Miller, a leading restructuring guru, unabashed by the paradox that his good fortune happens because of the misfortune of others. "It's just the way it is. This is our time."

These days, when big corporate filings for bankruptcy protection seem to be made almost every week, there is a line forming outside the half-dozen corporate emergency rooms in Midtown Manhattan. And the nation's top doctors in that trauma field -- Mr. Miller, who recently turned the restructuring group he ran at Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein into an independent firm, and Arthur B. Newman of the Blackstone Group, and the team at Lazard -- are actually turning away battered patients.

Business is so good, so lucrative, that Harvey R. Miller, a prominent bankruptcy lawyer, announced last week that he would soon leave his post as head of the bankruptcy practice at Weil, Gotshal & Manges to become a bankruptcy banker at Greenhill & Company, a small merchant bank that jumped into the business only two years ago.

Mr. Newman, whose restructuring staff numbers about 40, is now working on two of the largest reorganizations in history: those of Enron and Global Crossing, as well as that of the Williams Communications Group. He just finished repairing Chiquita Brands International and AMF Bowling Worldwide, not to mention helping to reorganize Xerox, which brushed with but avoided bankruptcy. Mr. Miller, whose full-time staff at the newly formed Miller Buckfire Lewis & Company is a bit smaller, is trying to turn around Kmart and Polaroid as well as Reliance Group Holdings.

Last week, Lazard's restructuring group, led by Barry Ridings and Terry Savage, landed what may become the biggest bankruptcy bounty of them all when WorldCom hired them as advisors. Adelphia Communications, AES and Reliant Energy also hired Lazard this summer. Its team numbers 35.

A handful of other boutique investment banks are also busy trying to mend tattered companies and advise upset creditors. Among them are Rothschild North America, which is working for PG&E, and Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin, which is working for XO Communications.

The firms can make money from any angle: in some cases, the advisers represent distressed companies and, in others, their creditors.

There is no question that the business of corporate restructuring, once a backwater, has grown into a big business in recent years. With that growth has come big fees, which vary from deal to deal but are typically based on a percentage of assets sold during the process as well as a bonus if the restructuring is consummated.

Kmart, for example, will pay Henry Miller's firm 0.4 percent of the value of any asset sale, plus a monthly fee, and a $12.5 million bonus if the restructuring of the company is completed. If the entire company is sold, the bonus could reach $17.5 million.

Add up the fees, and the figure for each bankruptcy is huge. The reorganization of Enron is likely to generate as much as $400 million in fees for bankers, lawyers and consultants. Of that amount, Blackstone will get either $35 million or 0.25 percent of the restructured obligations on top of the $10 million it already received for selling Enron's trading business to UBS Warburg.

Fees from Global Crossing's reorganization are expected to top $300 million. All told, industry analysts estimate that cleaning up corporate messes will net more than $5 billion in fees this year for the firms like those of Mr. Newman and Mr. Miller.

Personally, they take home seven figures a year.

"For most of the time, us restructuring guys were on the fringe; we were niche players," Henry Miller said. "Now we're getting some respect."

ADVISERS like him and Mr. Newman are not exactly a beloved bunch, of course. "It's nice to be pretty busy, but it's not good for the country," Mr. Newman acknowledged. Outraged creditors sometimes compare them to ambulance chasers and often fight to prevent them from taking in big fees. The creditors argue that the money should be used to rescue the failing companies, not to line the pockets of Wall Street bankers. Bankruptcy court judges, too, often limit the size of the paydays.

But bankruptcy advisers respond that they earn the money, especially now.

Restructuring advisers spend their time adjusting troubled companies' business plans, cutting deals with creditors and courts, and planning and negotiating the sale of assets. Their jobs are arguably more complex, and probably more important, than the roles of the traditional investment banker, who advises a company on whether to buy another company and how much to pay.

Since the last big economic downturn, in the early 1990's, the bankruptcy business has changed fundamentally. It is no longer just a matter of working out new financing. "The cases have gotten so big, and all of these cases have many more problems than before," Harvey Miller said. "Ten years ago, all you had to do was deleverage the company and that was it."

More than ever, companies seeking bankruptcy reorganization suffer from a web of corporate problems, not only an overload of debt. Scandal, potential legal liabilities and complex accounting sometimes push companies over the line.

The latest crop of companies in reorganization is beholden to a much expanded array of constituencies with interests in the outcome, including banks -- with collateral and without -- bondholders, shareholders, suppliers, partners and vulture capitalists who buy debt from others at distressed prices.

As a result, the work is ever more complex.

"The business of restructuring is now a professional business" with people whose careers are devoted exclusively to it, said Mr. Newman, who started in the business in 1966, while he was director of the corporate finance group at Ernst & Young. "It has professional lawyers, professional bankers, professional accountants and professional distressed players. It used to not be like this."

Mr. Newman and Henry Miller are the elder banking advisers of this small but growing restructuring circle, partly because they have specialized in it for so long.

Mr. Newman, 58, became very active in reorganizations in 1976, while still at Ernst & Young. There, he would work on the bankruptcies of companies like Eastern Airlines and Texaco during the 1980's. He headed the reorganization group at Chemical Bank for two years before jumping to Blackstone in 1991. He has been adviser to debtors or creditors in bankruptcies including Caldor, Dow Corning, R. H. Macy, Loehmann's and Marvel Entertainment.

"Art is the dean of financial advisers," said Steven G. Warshaw, the former president and chief executive of Chiquita, which underwent a successful reorganization -- led by Blackstone -- and emerged from bankruptcy court in March. The company was hurt by a glut of bananas and a long battle over European banana import quotas. Blackstone helped form a settlement among five groups of creditors that reduced Chiquita's $950 million debt load by $700 million. Instead of the money owed them, holders of senior notes received 88 percent of the equity in the reorganized company.

Henry Miller, who is 57, made his name in the 1980's as the head of the private finance group at Lehman Brothers, mainly working for airlines. Their problems in the late 1980's propelled him into bankruptcy workouts. In the 1990's, he ran the restructuring groups at Salomon Smith Barney, Prudential Securities and, most recently, at Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein. He has worked on the reorganizations of Pathmark Stores, Montgomery Ward and Trans World Airlines, among others.

He said the new group of creditors -- all with different agendas -- has made his job that much more difficult. "They're more antagonistic," he said. "They are getting in the company's pockets much more quickly."

In fact, some creditors now organize into committees and seek high-priced advisers like Mr. Miller and Mr. Newman even before the companies file for bankruptcy.

"The bondholders are now organizing themselves faster than the company," said Scott Bok, a partner at Greenhill. "They're more sophisticated."

One prominent bankruptcy lawyer who has represented several creditor committees against many of Mr. Miller's clients contends that the creditors' committees have to be more aggressive or risk not getting a fair settlement. "We're having to get in there earlier because these characters are always trying to squeeze us," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he said he could not afford to alienate the advisers.

At WorldCom, where management has hinted at a potential bankruptcy filing but has not gone to court, three sets of bondholders tapped separate law firms last week and have begun interviewing financial advisers.

Harvey Miller, who has been the main legal adviser on several of the biggest bankruptcy restructurings, including those of Texaco in the late 1980's and of R. H. Macy in the early 1990's, suggested that companies are also moving more quickly these days.

"The burn rates are so high," he said, referring to the speed at which distressed companies spend more than they take in, that those companies need to become organized early enough to protect themselves, especially "as the availability of refinancing quickly dwindles."

AES and Reliant Energy fall into that category.

With many major banks like Citigroup and J. P. Morgan Chase suffering from big exposure to bad loans, banks are significantly less lenient about refinancing than in the early 1990's, Henry Miller said.

"They are being more aggressive than they have ever been," he added, suggesting that there is too much "preliquidation planning" -- an unhealthy emphasis on preparing for insolvency rather than focusing on saving the company. "Unfortunately, it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy," he said.

Mr. Newman, Henry Miller and, now, Harvey Miller have another thing going for them. The business of advising on restructurings has been left mainly to small boutiques like theirs because the large Wall Street investment banks have too many potential conflicts of interest. For them, the profit margin -- no matter the current size of fees -- is too small.

In a landmark case in 1993, a federal appeals court said Goldman, Sachs could not advise Eagle-Picher, a maker of automobile components and industrial products in Cincinnati, on its bankruptcy reorganization because it was not a "disinterested person." Goldman had been the lead underwriter of Eagle-Picher's $39.8 million initial public stock offering in 1986 and had been the company's investment adviser.

Goldman had argued that because of its experience with the company, it should be considered the most qualified to help in the reorganization. In fact, the court appeared to agree, at one point apologizing for its decision. "Although it may make little sense to the bankruptcy court and Eagle-Picher -- or for that matter, to this court -- that Goldman, Sachs is not permitted to serve as financial adviser, the statute requires that result," the appeals court said. "This court is bound to apply the plain meaning of the statute even when the application apparently results in an apparent anomaly."

IN a case in 1995 that eliminated virtually all big banks from advising on major reorganizations, Lehman Brothers was forced by a bankruptcy court to return $1 million in fees for advising Federated Department Stores on its bankruptcy reorganization. Lehman received $250,000 a month in those proceedings, according to court filings, but the court sided with trustees that argued that Lehman had a conflict of interest because it had "numerous holdings of Federated securities" and had been the lead manager in a $200 million offering of Federated bonds.

It was the potential for conflicts that influenced Henry Miller, no relation to Harvey Miller, to take his Dresdner group independent. He had been forced to turn away business because of Dresdner's relationships with potential reorganization clients. "The Chinese wall doesn't hold for the adviser," he explained.

Moreover, he said, the economics of running a restructuring department -- which is a cyclical business -- do not make sense for a big bank. "It's not a big-enough business if you're a Goldman, Sachs," he said. "The internal economics are hard to reconcile. A $70- or $80-million-a-year business would be a bad performer for a big investment bank."

Even so, those involved in bankruptcies always seem to be fighting over fees. In the last five years, experts estimate that total fees have ballooned nearly 25 percent, in part because so many advisers are being hired.

For example, Global Crossing, the troubled telecommunications company, has already racked up bills from 20 firms totaling more than $18 million. They cover everything from hourly legal charges and faxes to plane tickets, Internet searches and phone calls since late January, when Global filed for bankruptcy protection, people close to the company said.

Mr. Newman's group alone is taking in $250,000 a month and stands to make millions more in so-called success fees if the company emerges from bankruptcy.

Lawyers and consultants are Global Crossing's biggest beneficiaries, at least so far. KPMG, the large international accounting firm, has billed about $4 million since February just for work related to operations in Bermuda, where Global is based.

KPMG has charged more than twice as much for its services as had Arthur Andersen, Global Crossing's accountant in the United States, which billed more than $800,000 for a month of work after the filing. Deloitte & Touche, which is working directly for the creditors' committee, has not yet submitted its fee requests.

Weil, Gotshal & Manges, the lead bankruptcy counsel, and Simpson Thacher & Bartlett, which serves as litigation and tax counsel, have together billed Global Crossing more than $2.2 million so far.

"No one would dispute they get paid a fair amount of money," said Mr. Warshaw, formerly of Chiquita. "But there is a lot of value there to protect. And these firms basically get success fees, so if they fail they get basically nothing."

LATELY, some law firms have tried to charge extra fees, too -- the way that some do for the successful completion of a merger on which they advise, a charge beyond their usual hourly fee. Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz and Weil, Gotshal are among them.

"The bankers are getting an outrageous sum of money," said one bankruptcy lawyer, who did not want to be identified because he sometimes works with them. "Why shouldn't we get a cut? Half the time we're doing more of the work than them."

Henry Miller disagreed. "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones," he said. "They are being paid by the hour. Their fees are rarely at risk."

Some judges apparently agree. Judge Mary F. Walrath of the Bankruptcy Court in Wilmington, Del., recently rejected $1 million in success fees in the case of the bankrupt United Companies Financial Corporation, a once-prosperous lender to borrowers who could not qualify for traditional loans, for both Wachtell, Lipton and Weil, Gotshal.

Zitatende

MfG.L:)
"Ein jeder gibt den Wert sich selbst"

"Der Schein regiert die Welt, und die Gerechtigkeit ist nur auf der Bühne".(Parasit)

Und es herrscht der Erde Gott, das Geld.(An die Freude)
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! union
union:

nochmal die Gedanken sammeln

36
09.12.10 17:49
Zur Zeit berät sich die Richterin mit Kollegen (davon gehe ich aus).  Korruption im großen Stil halte ich hier kaum für möglich...also bleib ich bei der Logik.

Gehen wir von WG&M + A&M aus, dann sehen wir keinen Cent...auch nicht nach Anpassungen des PoRs. Das peilt Mary 100%ig!
Sie peilt bestimmt einiges in diesem Fall, muss dazu aber eine machbare Lösung finden.

Sie wird nicht einfach nach Faktenlage urteilen, sondern versucht darüber hinaus die Parteien zusammen zu bringen (sah bisher immer so aus...und die Parteien sind öffentlich nicht spinne-feind)...egal, ob da jetzt Verhandlungen im Hintergrund laufen oder nicht, gehe ich davon aus, dass Mary salomonisch entscheidet (begründen könnte sie eh fast alles...)

D.h. für mich, dass die Richterin hier KEIN Ende setzen will und wird.

Ich vertraue Ihr insofern, dass Ihre Beurteilung GEGEN den PoR-Version6 ein Schritt näher zur Gerechtigkeit sein wird. Wir bekommen in dem Spiel mehr Gewicht und unsere Gegner müssen dazu Antworten haben.
Mehr (positives) kann Mary wahrscheinlich jetzt nicht tun, um den Bogen nicht gleich zu überspannen.

Alles andere wäre für mich eine herbe Enttäuschung,

union
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Moses2010
Moses2010:

union

 
09.12.10 17:52
Danke fuer die Info.
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! klarakaro
klarakaro:

wikileaks braucht nur mit dem Finger zu schnippen,

4
09.12.10 17:54
dann macht es hier HOPLA!, auch ohne echte Substanz dahinter....alles Macht der Phantasie....das wissen sie alle ;-)
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! lander
lander:

Nachtrag

4
09.12.10 17:56
investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=57565200

Zitat:

for your reading pleasure -- here is a link to Judge Walraths Oct 2005 57 page opinion on the etoys case-- one that was strife with collusion, corruption and perjury charges-- similar to this Wamu case. I found it to be very good reading.

www.deb.uscourts.gov/Opinions/2005/EtoysMNATfees.pdf

Zitatende

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Link zu #113926

www.therxforum.com/showthread.php...

MfG.L:)
"Ein jeder gibt den Wert sich selbst"

"Der Schein regiert die Welt, und die Gerechtigkeit ist nur auf der Bühne".(Parasit)

Und es herrscht der Erde Gott, das Geld.(An die Freude)
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Landliebe77
Landliebe77:

Hallo ??!!

18
09.12.10 18:00

nach meiner frage zu susmans verhalten hab ich null antworten bekommen aber

noenough bekommt sage und schreibe 7 ihm gewitmente posts für seinen quark! ihr last euch recht leicht beeinflussen

Wamu WKN 893906 News ! noenough
noenough:

also ich sag jetzt vorerst gar nix mehr!

3
09.12.10 18:03
aber dieses rum gebrülle muss doch gar nicht sein!

nur damit ihrs wisst!
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Njetschne
Njetschne:

D.A.

7
09.12.10 18:04
Servus @ all,

Euch ist sicherlich schon aufgefallen, dass das grosse, super, tolle, allwissende Klatsch Blatt
"Der Aktionär" schon seit längerem keinen Artikel mehr zu unserer WaMu rausgebracht hat....
Trotz mehrerer spannender Gerichtsverhandlungen und Kreuzverhöre.....

Ich wette die haben einen Maulkorb verpasst bekommen, dass in Germany nichtmehr von und über WaMu berichtet werden soll.....
Und nicht nur nen Maulkorb sondern auch nen Geld und Geschenkekorb :-)

Viel Erfolg und allen

Njetschne
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! klarakaro
klarakaro:

vielleicht wollen die keine Geldstrafe zahlen von

 
09.12.10 18:07
wegen "falsche Aussage", wenn dann wikileaks mit dem echten Gang der Dinge aufblitzt!
Schon klug von "der Aktionär", haha!
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! wlad1979
wlad1979:

komisches Avatar

4
09.12.10 18:08
erinnert mich an Wilhelm.. bist du wilhelm?? :)
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! orleon
orleon:

Noch mal zur Erinnerung...

6
09.12.10 18:08
Es geht hier nicht um Ärzte, Freunde, Brüder, wer wieviel gekauft hat...was hier jemand verdient hat...wer am besten bashen oder pushen kann...es geht immer noch


ja genau!
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! 364797
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! buzzard01
buzzard01:

com direct

 
09.12.10 18:10
hi, kann man über com direct  wampq kaufen?

hat hier jmd erfahrung???


gruss
B.
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! mcpomm
mcpomm:

@buzzard

 
09.12.10 18:11
online nicht mußt anrufen
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Njetschne
Njetschne:

sorry...

6
09.12.10 18:14
... das ich den gleichen bzw. Wilhelm den gleichen Avatar wie ich hat, aber ich ziehe dieses Idol namens Al Bundy nicht in den Dreck wie dieser Wilhelm......

Sorry for OT.
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! white.rabbit
white.rabbit:

landliebe

2
09.12.10 18:16
kann den überhaupt ein Insolvenzgericht da eingreifen?

Ist doch eher das Resort der SEC oder?
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! MacBull
MacBull:

Ne noenough, du bist hier Gast und nicht in deinem

7
09.12.10 18:18
Revier!!

Du hast hier einen gewissen "Unterhaltungswert" und eine gewisse "Narrenfreiheit"!!

Aber wenn enough ist enough, das verstehst du doch?

War doch richtig oder ?

$$$$$$
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! orleon
orleon:

@Njetschne

4
09.12.10 18:19
volle Zustimmung!

@Willi, hey hol dir doch "Nelson" als Avatar...

aber denke dran "HaHa"

nicht Hahaha

Gruß an alle
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Meister Röhrich
Meister Röhri.:

Entenhausen - Sternzeit 0815/ 0912

22
09.12.10 18:21

Ja es war ein langer Abend gestern für unseren Anführer und Filmhelden Noenough. 23:50 Uhr, so lange durfte er damals bei seinem Ziehvater Sigmund Freud nicht aufbleieben. Aber er konnte dennoch nicht einschlafen, obwohl er sich vorher 3 mal die Füsse mit Leinsamenöl eingerieben hatte. Zu sehr sorgte er sich um seine WaMu Jünger aus dem Forum, und wie er Ihnen seine Strategie darlegen könnte.

Die Strategie der totalen Desinformation - die Guerrillataktik, die ihm damals beim Schwulenaufstand in Darmstadt schon zum Sieg verhalf, als er mit den Worten " Der Schwule lässt die Arbeit ruhn und freut sich auf den Afternoon" alle verwirrte und ein Settlement heraufbeschwor. Über diesen Gedanken schlief unser dreifachgesalbter Held ein.

Ortswechsel: Arivaforum Code 893906 Uhrzeit: 06:00

Die ersten Jünger des dreifachgesalbten Noenough haben sich bereits eingeloggt, die Fingernägel bis aufs Nagelbett heruntergefressen rechnen Sie, wie jeden Morgen mit dem Schlimmsten: Threadauflösung da der Kurs über Nacht bei 10,- € liegt -Eine grauenhafte Vorstellung. Sie sind fix und fertig , weil nicht wie gewohnt bereits nach 20 sec jemand auf Ihr Posting antwortet. Angst , Fassungslosigkeit und Resignation machen sich bereit.

was soll ich nur heute posten? - Alles wurde gesagt - 1000-fach, vielleicht einfach noch mal den rt. abfragen.

Nur träge kommen die morgentlichen Poster auf Trab, getrieben von Lustlosigkeit . Ein erster wager Versuch wieder etwas über Silber einzustellen, wird nicht sofort mit drakonischen Maßnahmen geandet.Man wartet ab - keine Reaktion seitens des Chief Executive Managements - dann brechen alle Dämme.

Bereits ab 11:06 Uhr werden wieder konkrete Pläne zum nächsten Blockbuster aus der beliebten NOENOUGH-Reihe geschmiedet.

Hier nun zeigt sich die verloren gegangene Kreativität ehemaliger Profianalysten wieder, und sie stampfen sofort eine neue Besetzungsliste aus dem Boden. Schnell wechselt man ins In-Cafee "Koma80" und gibt sich bis 13:36 Uhr dem Flatratesaufen hin.

Hier nun um 13:36 erwacht unser Held , der dreifachgesalbte, nach einer unruhigen Nacht voller wirrer Träume zu neuem Leben.

Er fährt sofort seinen IKEA Holzrechner Marke Smörebröd 1999xL  hoch, das 9600 Baud Modem singt sein fröhliches Lied und da - nach 14 Minuten ist er wieder ONLINE.

Schnell, mit der Auffassungsgabe eines Habichts liest er sich ins Tagesgeschehen ein, überdenkt schnell zu treffende Maßnahmen und stellt sich prompt den Fragen seiner Anhängerschar - Beruhigung tritt ein im Forum.

Doch was muß er erkennen. das Forum hat seine Idee von der totalen Desinformation bereits umgesetzt. man unterhält sich über Filmbesetzungen, erzählt schlechte Witz und drängt wie immer ein paar Zocker aus dem Forum.

Der GegnerJ.P. Morgen  von solcher eiskalter Dreistigkeit total verunsichert, zieht sofort seine 2 Frontberichtserstatter Donald van Delfft und Dagobert Pfandbrief zum Rapport ab. - Angst geht um , Angst vor der todesverachtenden Gleichgültigkeit wie hier das Forum seinem Gegner gegenüber tritt - ja gerade singend und lachend marschiert man voran.

Hier können auch Donald van Delfft und Dagobert Pfandbrief nichts mehr ausricheten, denn diese Welt voller heiterer und gut gelaunter Menschen ist Ihnen völlig fremd.

Auch der dreifachgesalbte ergreift, gleich durch mehrere kurz hintereinander hervorragend plazierte Postings, wieder die Zügel des Geschehens und beruhigt seine Jünger und seine Widersacher.

Gemeinsam plant man nun den allabendlichen Einkauf beim Saloon Liedl und das neue Filmprojekt.

Und das wird es in sich haben: Freuen Sie sich schon heute auf:

SETTLEMENT im UNTERHEMD - demnächst hier in Ihrem Theater.

 

Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Pjöngjang
Pjöngjang:

Auf der Suche nach unseren 3.1a liste (Yahoo)

19
09.12.10 18:23
DD version to earlier post: To take the 'court hearings as theater' theory a step further, last night I was researching our 3.1a, I found an unredacted 3.1a for a bank the fdic closed last year 2009.

www.docstoc.com/docs/43874638/PUR... pg 1 for Irwin Union Fsb in Columbus, IN and First Financial Bank, NA dated Sept 18, 2009

What is interesting is it only contained a paragragh about how upon fdic closing the transaction, all values of assets conveyed would be revalued to present tense, and the assuming bank would owe the diferrence.


"Schedule 3.1 - Certain Assets Purchased

The list(s) attached to this schedule or (subschedule(s) and the information therein,is as of the date of the most recent pertinent data made available to the assuming bank as part of the information package. It will be adjusted to reflect the composition and book value of the loans and assets of the date of the bank closing. The list(s) may not include all loans and assets (E.G., charged off loans). The list(s) may be replaced with a more accurate list post closing. "


What is also interesting is the FDIC in this case refers to a "information package" that must detail assets that is between the two and not for public consumption yet. Then it appears the list is updated and valued after the closing, which we know WAMU isnt which appears to be par for the course. Then, the list can be replaced with another after closing.

WAG is we know this is a huge case with billions of assets and we know fdic never closed the deal. What if all this theater is to stall for completion of current asset evaluation just like the bank above.

Could WMI have the same arrangement??????? But redacted because if everyone knew the only thing left is to re-evalute the assets....

Especially when you couple the above with how many times we have said nothing makes any sense with the judge's ASAP, etc ,attorneys apparant disregard for everything, why no PJS yet from Ec, etc.

Maybe EC knows they can keep it close to them not for reasons why we thought before, but for backup in case any revaluation described above is skimpy. Why else would debtors etc keep arrogantly flouting court bk procedures.

And of course the debtors fdic etc are stalling/flouting hoping the worsening economy and market means a lower evaluation and layout, not to mention more frustrated shareholders leaving the fold.
messages.finance.yahoo.com/...;mid=636361&tof=15&frt=2
Wamu WKN 893906 News ! Leverage1
Leverage1:

WaMu

24
09.12.10 18:24
Einige scheinen es nicht gelesen zu haben, bzw fragen immer wieder danach. Es hat sich heraus gestellt dass das BK NICHT die Spezialität ist von Susman, Nelson und Sargent wiederum einen überraschend guten Job bis jetzt gemacht haben in diesem Fall.

Susman wäre evtl vom Vorteil wenn der Fall an ein anderes Gericht/Instanz weiter gegeben werden würde.

Der Fall WaMu muss nach jedem Hearing/Ereignis neu "betrachtet" werden teilweise. Eine "smoking gun" kann es geben, hätte aber vor dem BK keinen Sinn gemacht, bis jetzt, da Nelson usw auch situationsbedingt "reagieren" mussten und müssen.
Das zeigt aber nur das typische Anlegerverhalten, nämlich schnell Geld machen und weg... Klappt hier vermutlich leider nicht mehr so schnell, und ein wenig "Mitarbeit" ist zudem auch immer wieder gefragt zwischendurch :-)

Im Moment ist die Richterin gefragt, bzw eine schmeichelnde Umschreibung am Besten, wonach der POR und GSA nochmal grundlegend überarbeitet gehören :-)
Meiner Meinung nach könnte sie den Fall nicht abschließen, da sie wohl NICHT ausschließen kann dass an der "Übernahme" etwas faul war...
Irgend eine kleine AG kann man schon mal platt machen auf die Schnelle, die ehemals grösste Bank, oder einer der Grössten, wohl eher nicht ganz so einfach, zudem ja mittlerweile keiner mehr an vorgefertigte Rosen-Argumente mehr glaubt, die er "versucht" zu materialisieren...

Nur meine Meinung.

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Slater:

WaMu steigt

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09.12.10 18:32
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noenough:

auch wenn viele jetzt echt sauer auf mich sind!

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09.12.10 18:33
bin ein ganz netter!

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