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ich persöhnlich würde sagen Ende des Jahres bei 0,5.
Wenn Rettung, dann wird der Kursstand von Ende September 2008 erreicht, d.h. dann 1,60 € :-)
Alle Angaben sind rein spekulativ und ohne Gewehr und Pistole :-)
Alle Angaben sind rein spekulativ und ohne Gewehr und Pistole :-)
wenn auch am 31.03 noch nichts neues bekann gegeben worden ist verkaufen wir dann oder ziehen das ding durch? außerdem es geht ja hier nicht nur darum evt. + zu machen es geht auch um die arbeitsplätze evt. sind wir ja morgen selber dran.
mir würde 1% + morgen reichen = 1 bier
Ich hab das mal ausgerechnet.....wenn bei Dir 1% plus = 1 Bier (gute Qualität) ist, dann hast Du etwa 600 Stück Qimondas!(?)
so schlimm ist es auch nicht sind schon einige mehr würde auch leicht schmerzhaft wenn weg also ein bier pro % + hat nichts mit der menge zu tun die ich besitze aber das bier würde mir deutlich besser schmecken als unterhalb der nulllinie.
aber wir werden mal sehen was der tag morgen so bringt
Flocke77 wenn alles gut wird schicke ich dir einige flaschen von der gute bier was so schön prickelt.
alles wird gut ganz bestiim irgendwann.
1.Qimonda wird gerettet
2.Samsung ist dran
3.Kurs auf 0.7€
4.Intel ist dran
5.Kurs 0,9€
6.Beide dementieren Kurs 0,5
7.u.s.w.
2.Samsung ist dran
3.Kurs auf 0.7€
4.Intel ist dran
5.Kurs 0,9€
6.Beide dementieren Kurs 0,5
7.u.s.w.
sind alle nicht so weit wie Q.
Schon allein die Forschung und Entwicklungsabteilung
ist mehr wert.
Die haben Sachen auf Tasche die sie selber haben wollten.
Schon allein die Forschung und Entwicklungsabteilung
ist mehr wert.
Die haben Sachen auf Tasche die sie selber haben wollten.
du sagst wenn beide dementieren wieso soll der kurs dann 0,5 sein??
"Flocke77 wenn alles gut wird schicke ich dir einige flaschen von der gute bier was so schön prickelt.
alles wird gut ganz bestiim irgendwann"
Ich nehme Dich beim Wort, aber nich das Du auf die Idee kommst selbst vorbeizukommen und mir das Bier in meinem Bauchnabel zu füllen, es sei den Du bist eine Lady :-) aber da Du Biertrinker bist, ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit mit der Lady relativ gering :-)
alles wird gut ganz bestiim irgendwann"
Ich nehme Dich beim Wort, aber nich das Du auf die Idee kommst selbst vorbeizukommen und mir das Bier in meinem Bauchnabel zu füllen, es sei den Du bist eine Lady :-) aber da Du Biertrinker bist, ist die Wahrscheinlichkeit mit der Lady relativ gering :-)
Was die Geheimprojekte haben das glaubt ihr nicht.
leider erst in der zukunft und das wissen die anderen.
der,der Q übernimmt ist fein raus,das wissen die chinesen,japaner und koreaner aber auch wahrscheinlich
unser wirtschaftsminister.
wenn der das vergeigt kann er gleich wieder gehen.
leider erst in der zukunft und das wissen die anderen.
der,der Q übernimmt ist fein raus,das wissen die chinesen,japaner und koreaner aber auch wahrscheinlich
unser wirtschaftsminister.
wenn der das vergeigt kann er gleich wieder gehen.
vlt. hat er ja bald Geld, um sich umoperieren zulassen...
nein pfui... :D)))
nein pfui... :D)))
zu "ich kenn Q" und "Was die Geheimprojekte haben das glaubt ihr nicht"
Ohne Dir zu nahe zutreten, aber arbeitet Du bei Qimonda in der Forschungsabteilung oder sitzt Du im Vorstand?
Nein mal im Ernst, wenn man sowas schreibt, dann muss man die Nase schon tiefer drin stecken haben....dann dürftest Du auch Herrn Jaffé kennen oder?
Ohne Dir zu nahe zutreten, aber arbeitet Du bei Qimonda in der Forschungsabteilung oder sitzt Du im Vorstand?
Nein mal im Ernst, wenn man sowas schreibt, dann muss man die Nase schon tiefer drin stecken haben....dann dürftest Du auch Herrn Jaffé kennen oder?
Wie oben schon gesagt wurde: Er übernimmt die Forschungs- und Entwicklungsabteilung für 100 Mio, die Patente für 100 Mio, einige Spezialmaschinen für 100 Mio - das macht insgesamt 300 Mio Invesition!!! Und was das Beste ist: Er übernimmt auch noch die Fertigung die jeden Monat 100 Mio Verluste einfährt, 500 Mio Kreditverbindlichkeiten und und und .. nur damit der Angebotsüberschuss für DRAM-Bausteine auch ja erhalten bleibt und seine Preise drückt. Halleluju Brüder.
woher weißt du das, dass sich der investor entschieden hat?ß das ist dein wunschgedanke^^
?????? versteh ich irgendwie nicht.....
Zimtgebaeck nimms bitte nicht persönlich, aber schau mal hier rein......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KT2BJzAwbU&hl=de
und für Schalke17: Ironie pur ..............nicht immer auf die Goldwaage legen was hier geschrieben wird! :-)
Zimtgebaeck nimms bitte nicht persönlich, aber schau mal hier rein......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KT2BJzAwbU&hl=de
und für Schalke17: Ironie pur ..............nicht immer auf die Goldwaage legen was hier geschrieben wird! :-)
Seit Tagen pendelt die QI-Aktie um 12 Cent - keinerlei Anstieg nach oben, obwohl die Inverstoren sich mittlerweile darum kloppen wer QI haben darf. Der Grund für den konstanten Kurs: Ein Großaktionär gibt ständig seine Papiere zu diesem Kurs ab damit jeder Bürger dieses Landes seinen Anteil vom zu erwartenden Kursanstieg abbekommt!
Du hast recht, ich werde mich unmittelbar nach diesem Beitrag vom Forum abmelden.
2009 wird ein Gewinnerjahr (Copyright hollewutz)
SEOUL (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics, the world's largest maker of memory chips, is considering cutting its 2009 investment in semiconductors by more than half from last year, the Korea Times reported on Monday, citing company sources.
By ReutersJanuary 5, 2009
SEOUL (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics, the world's largest maker of memory chips, is considering cutting its 2009 investment in semiconductors by more than half from last year, the Korea Times reported on Monday, citing company sources.
Samsung may invest only 2 trillion-3 trillion won ($1.5 billion-$2.3 billion) in semiconductors this year, down from 6.2 trillion won last year, the newspaper said.
Samsung declined to comment on the report.
The South Korean electronics giant said at a forum in December that capital expenditure would drop to 7 trillion-8 trillion won in 2009 from an expected 10 trillion won in 2008.
"Overcapacity, rising inventories, slumping demand and a sharp fall in chip prices are forcing the company to slash investment," an unnamed Samsung source was quoted as saying.
Memory chip makers worldwide are being forced to cut output and reduce investment as they struggle under a prolonged slump amid a deepening global downturn.
Samsung's home rival Hynix Semiconductor Inc received some $600 million emergency funding from its shareholders while German chip maker Qimonda also recently resorted to a 325 million euro ($452 million) loan and optional federal aid for survival.
($1=1316.5 Won)
($1=.7195 Euro)
By ReutersJanuary 5, 2009
SEOUL (Reuters) - Samsung Electronics, the world's largest maker of memory chips, is considering cutting its 2009 investment in semiconductors by more than half from last year, the Korea Times reported on Monday, citing company sources.
Samsung may invest only 2 trillion-3 trillion won ($1.5 billion-$2.3 billion) in semiconductors this year, down from 6.2 trillion won last year, the newspaper said.
Samsung declined to comment on the report.
The South Korean electronics giant said at a forum in December that capital expenditure would drop to 7 trillion-8 trillion won in 2009 from an expected 10 trillion won in 2008.
"Overcapacity, rising inventories, slumping demand and a sharp fall in chip prices are forcing the company to slash investment," an unnamed Samsung source was quoted as saying.
Memory chip makers worldwide are being forced to cut output and reduce investment as they struggle under a prolonged slump amid a deepening global downturn.
Samsung's home rival Hynix Semiconductor Inc received some $600 million emergency funding from its shareholders while German chip maker Qimonda also recently resorted to a 325 million euro ($452 million) loan and optional federal aid for survival.
($1=1316.5 Won)
($1=.7195 Euro)
Christoph Hammerschmidt
EE Times Europe
02/11/2009 1:46 PM
MUNICH, Germany — The insolvency of German DRAM manufacturer Qimonda continues to exercise the minds of industry executives about the viability of the Dresden 'Silicon Saxony' model and the standing of Europe in the global chip industry in general.
Time is not on the side of the company and its workers: if no investor is found by the end of March, breaking up the assets seems unavoidable.
The insolvency of the chip vendor has pained Europe’s chip sector over the past weeks. Even for hard-nosed optimists, the industry’s deep-rooted problems have been highlighted by the downfall of the once-hailed Infineon subsidiary.
Analysts said there was no single factor that drove Qimonda into the abyss. Rather, it was a combination of at least three factors, each representing a danger by itself.
The first one is the current oversupply in the DRAM market, which has led to massive price pressures. The second is the downturn in the global economy and the third the continuing financial crisis.
In Qimonda’s case, the last has had an additional impact: it dried up the company’s ability to invest in innovation and production equipment that would have enabled it to keep pace with rivals.
The case has triggered fierce discussion and debate. While some hailed Qimonda’s collapse as a relief for the suffering DRAM market, others have focused on the continuing difficult situation for the industry.
"This is good news for the DRAM industry," commented Andrew Norwood, European research vice president at analyst company Gartner Inc. (Stamford, Connecticut). The fact that a state-supported bail-out plan for Qimonda in December 2008 could not be completed suggests that the situation is deteriorating, he pointed out.
Norwood was also skeptical about Qimonda’s declared aim to "restructure key business units within the context of the insolvency regime." He said: "Key business units? They only do one thing."
Norwood highlighted that the DRAM industry has been oversupplied for years and DRAM vendors had lost $12 billion in 2008. "When even Samsung makes a loss that tells you things are bad. And for the last six to nine months the DRAM vendors have been hanging on hoping another of the vendors would fail first."
The Gartner analyst also contrasted the political support for DRAM makers on offer in Germany and in Taiwan. "Why would a country want a DRAM company? In Germany Qimonda has Dresden as a legacy but DRAMs would be made in Asia. Would packaging and assembly be done in Germany? No, that will be done in Asia. In Taiwan a supported DRAM company also supports the test and assembly companies and the PC, notebook and netbook companies. So it leverages many jobs for each DRAM job."
All Germany gets for supporting a DRAM company is a few taxes. Taiwan gets much more bang for its buck,” Norwood stressed.
Others doubted Qimonda’s failure would represent the final act in the consolidation drama – and not only for the DRAM industry. For more or less the entire European IC industry, Qimonda’s insolvency marks the beginning of a major shakeout since other companies are in a similarly weak position, explained Malcolm Penn, CEO of market researcher Future Horizons (Sevenoaks, England). "The entire European semiconductor industry could face a similar situation," adding that "NXP is in a pretty bad shape and Infineon is still trying to restructure," he said.
The Qimonda agony is to a certain extent a political one given that large Asian semiconductor companies continued to expand manufacturing capacity. They apparently were encouraged or even funded by their governments. Whenever the discussion turns to the reasons for oversupply in memories, industry insiders behave like many players in the Harry Potter saga: They hint at facts but decline to spell out the details. Many privately believe the culprit is Samsung, and that the Korean government continued to fund its expansion plans even when the DRAM market was clearly saturated.
"This is where it becomes political,” Penn said. “This is the economical equivalent of World War III." The Buried Wordline technology, Qimonda’s proprietary and innovative process technology and for long the company’s ‘Great White Hope’ had not only failed to attract investors, it may even have acted as an obstacle for potential suitors. “It is rather unique, and hence difficult to integrate in a potential investor’s manufacturing landscape,” said Penn.
Gartner’s Norwood also expressed skepticism. "It’s very interesting on paper, but it has only just gone into production so there is no track record of success."
Meanwhile, insolvency administrator Michael Jaffé is busy trying to maintain business as almost usual and to attract suitors. The top priority on the agenda is finding an investor for the entire company. Given the pressures faced by the entire DRAM sector, coupled with the state of the financial markets, this seems a forlorn task.
The time pressures do not help either, since the insolvency protection will only cover running costs till the end of next month.
"It is definite: if we don’t have an investor by end of March, the company will face breaking up," explained a spokesperson of the insolvency administrator.
This makes the unthinkable the most likely option. Even Saxon Prime Minister Stanislaw Tillich is now focusing his hopes on a partial rescue. In a recent broadcast interview, he said he believes Qimonda’s "innovative core" could be saved.
EE Times Europe
02/11/2009 1:46 PM
MUNICH, Germany — The insolvency of German DRAM manufacturer Qimonda continues to exercise the minds of industry executives about the viability of the Dresden 'Silicon Saxony' model and the standing of Europe in the global chip industry in general.
Time is not on the side of the company and its workers: if no investor is found by the end of March, breaking up the assets seems unavoidable.
The insolvency of the chip vendor has pained Europe’s chip sector over the past weeks. Even for hard-nosed optimists, the industry’s deep-rooted problems have been highlighted by the downfall of the once-hailed Infineon subsidiary.
Analysts said there was no single factor that drove Qimonda into the abyss. Rather, it was a combination of at least three factors, each representing a danger by itself.
The first one is the current oversupply in the DRAM market, which has led to massive price pressures. The second is the downturn in the global economy and the third the continuing financial crisis.
In Qimonda’s case, the last has had an additional impact: it dried up the company’s ability to invest in innovation and production equipment that would have enabled it to keep pace with rivals.
The case has triggered fierce discussion and debate. While some hailed Qimonda’s collapse as a relief for the suffering DRAM market, others have focused on the continuing difficult situation for the industry.
"This is good news for the DRAM industry," commented Andrew Norwood, European research vice president at analyst company Gartner Inc. (Stamford, Connecticut). The fact that a state-supported bail-out plan for Qimonda in December 2008 could not be completed suggests that the situation is deteriorating, he pointed out.
Norwood was also skeptical about Qimonda’s declared aim to "restructure key business units within the context of the insolvency regime." He said: "Key business units? They only do one thing."
Norwood highlighted that the DRAM industry has been oversupplied for years and DRAM vendors had lost $12 billion in 2008. "When even Samsung makes a loss that tells you things are bad. And for the last six to nine months the DRAM vendors have been hanging on hoping another of the vendors would fail first."
The Gartner analyst also contrasted the political support for DRAM makers on offer in Germany and in Taiwan. "Why would a country want a DRAM company? In Germany Qimonda has Dresden as a legacy but DRAMs would be made in Asia. Would packaging and assembly be done in Germany? No, that will be done in Asia. In Taiwan a supported DRAM company also supports the test and assembly companies and the PC, notebook and netbook companies. So it leverages many jobs for each DRAM job."
All Germany gets for supporting a DRAM company is a few taxes. Taiwan gets much more bang for its buck,” Norwood stressed.
Others doubted Qimonda’s failure would represent the final act in the consolidation drama – and not only for the DRAM industry. For more or less the entire European IC industry, Qimonda’s insolvency marks the beginning of a major shakeout since other companies are in a similarly weak position, explained Malcolm Penn, CEO of market researcher Future Horizons (Sevenoaks, England). "The entire European semiconductor industry could face a similar situation," adding that "NXP is in a pretty bad shape and Infineon is still trying to restructure," he said.
The Qimonda agony is to a certain extent a political one given that large Asian semiconductor companies continued to expand manufacturing capacity. They apparently were encouraged or even funded by their governments. Whenever the discussion turns to the reasons for oversupply in memories, industry insiders behave like many players in the Harry Potter saga: They hint at facts but decline to spell out the details. Many privately believe the culprit is Samsung, and that the Korean government continued to fund its expansion plans even when the DRAM market was clearly saturated.
"This is where it becomes political,” Penn said. “This is the economical equivalent of World War III." The Buried Wordline technology, Qimonda’s proprietary and innovative process technology and for long the company’s ‘Great White Hope’ had not only failed to attract investors, it may even have acted as an obstacle for potential suitors. “It is rather unique, and hence difficult to integrate in a potential investor’s manufacturing landscape,” said Penn.
Gartner’s Norwood also expressed skepticism. "It’s very interesting on paper, but it has only just gone into production so there is no track record of success."
Meanwhile, insolvency administrator Michael Jaffé is busy trying to maintain business as almost usual and to attract suitors. The top priority on the agenda is finding an investor for the entire company. Given the pressures faced by the entire DRAM sector, coupled with the state of the financial markets, this seems a forlorn task.
The time pressures do not help either, since the insolvency protection will only cover running costs till the end of next month.
"It is definite: if we don’t have an investor by end of March, the company will face breaking up," explained a spokesperson of the insolvency administrator.
This makes the unthinkable the most likely option. Even Saxon Prime Minister Stanislaw Tillich is now focusing his hopes on a partial rescue. In a recent broadcast interview, he said he believes Qimonda’s "innovative core" could be saved.
Dann muss der Kurs heute explodieren?? oder...
Keine Kauf Empfehlung!!
In der Vielfalt der Möglichkeiten und Antworten liegt der Schlüssel und die Weisheit der Massen.
In der Vielfalt der Möglichkeiten und Antworten liegt der Schlüssel und die Weisheit der Massen.
aufzeigt und das ganze Politikum das dahinter steckt und zeigt wie wichtig es ist Qimonda in Deutschland für Deutschland und die EU zu erhalten... aber das hat Tillich im ZDF ja schon recht schön gesagt!
Also warum sollte der Kurs heute explodieren?
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