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Der USA Bären-Thread Malko07
Malko07:

#66023: Unsinn

6
14.07.10 20:11
Du scheinst dich nicht mit der Funktionsweise von dieser "sinistren Struktur" beschäftigt zu haben. Also kläre mich auf, was daran so düster ist und wiederhole hier nicht die FTD-Propaganda. Geheim ist auch nichts. Immerhin hat der Bundestag dem zustimmen müssen. In einem Haushalt kann auch erst etwas in Erscheinung treten, wenn es vorgefallen ist,
Der USA Bären-Thread Stöffen
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AL, es gibt stets gute Gründe

9
14.07.10 20:16
BP weiterhin in "Big Trouble"

NEW ORLEANS – BP's work on capping the Gulf of Mexico gusher was frozen Wednesday after the federal government raised concerns the operation could put damaging pressure on the busted well that could make the leak worse.

An administration official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the talks with BP, said the government was acting out of "abundance of caution" and didn't want potentially dangerous pressure tests on a tighter containment cap that has been placed over the well to go ahead until BP answers questions about possible risks.

At the same time, BP on its own halted the drilling of two relief wells that are designed to be a more permanent solution to plug the well.

The delays were a stunning setback after the oil giant finally seemed to be on track following nearly three months of failed attempts to stop the spill, which has sullied beaches from Florida to Texas and decimated the multibillion dollar fishing industry.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill

Satellitenaufnahmen zur Verseuchung des Golfs von Mexico gibt's hier:

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/...analysis-oil-miles-mexico-cancun
Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!
Der USA Bären-Thread Malko07
Malko07:

Wozu die EZB immer herhalten muss?

5
14.07.10 20:28
Malko - der Rettungsfonds ESFS  ist eine private Zweckgesellschaft der EZB in Luxemburg, die als "Briefkastenfirma"

Leider weiss die EZB nicht von ihrer neuen Tochter:

The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) is a special purpose vehicle agreed by the 27 member states of the European Union on 9 May 2010, aiming at preserving financial stability in Europe by providing financial assistance to eurozone  states in difficulty.
.....
The European Investment Bank will provide treasury management services and administrative support to the EFSF through a service level contract.
.......
The European Financial Stability Facility has been established as a limited liability company under Luxembourg law (Société Anonyme)


Wenn eine Société Anonyme eine Briefkastenfirma ist, ist Siemens auch eine.
Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

fkuebler - # 020

9
14.07.10 20:28
Im Text von Harrison findet sich das verbreitete Bullenargument, dass die Firmen nun ultraschlank ("lean to be bone") seien, weil sie viele Leute entlassen haben, und daher die Produktivität steigern und die Lohnstückkosten senken konnten. Die erhöhte "Hatz" in den Firmen geht freilich zu Lasten der Qualität, wie das iPhone 4 bestens zeigt (wiewohl es in China gebaut wird). Gut Ding will Weile (und Zeit) haben.

Die vielen Entlassenen, die dieses "Abspecken" der Firmen hervorbrachte, würden normalerweise makroökonomisch nicht folgenlos bleiben. Denn die vielen zusätzlichen Arbeitslosen würden als Konsumenten ausfallen: Die für die Firmen positiven Effekte der geringen Lohnstückkosten würden durch negative Effekte wie Konsumrückgang (der in USA faktisch bereits zu beobachten ist seit April), gepaart mit höheren Fixkosten (Unterauslastung der Produktion erhöht anteilig die Fixkosten), kompensiert, womöglich sogar überkompensiert.

Die Konsumrückgänge sind zurzeit noch weniger ausgeprägt, als es dem Anstieg der AL entspricht, weil in USA tonnenweise Transferzahlungen geleistet werden. Dies führt bei den Firmen zu einer temporären Blüte, weil sie schlank produzieren und fast wie gewohnt Waren umsetzen können. Doch ab Juli bekommen drei Millionen Ami-Arbeitslose keine Stütze mehr. Dann greifen die Effekte aus dem 2. Absatz.

US-Firmen profitierten auch davon, dass sie ins boomende Asien exportieren (und USA insofern kein abgeschlossenes System ist). Doch auch dort kühlt sich die Konjunktur ab - in China sogar gewollt.

Die von Harrison genannten Effekte sind daher temporär und nicht nachhaltig. Sprich: Daraus wird kein "selbsttragender Aufschwung".
Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

David Rosenberg: Rally rein liquiditätsgetrieben

12
14.07.10 20:45
und ohne "fundamentalen Unterbau". Im Gegenteil lässt sich nach den heutigen schwachen Einzelhandelszahlen feststellen, dass der Unterbau immer brüchiger wird. Das hat selbst die Fed heute zugegeben: "Pace of recovery slower than hoped".  Man könnte auch sagen: slower than HYPED.

Rosenberg beschreibt im Link unten die starke Zunahme von M2 in den letzten 2 Wochen und die starke Erhöhung der Trader-Posis in ES-Mini-Futures (auf den SP-500).

Rein Futures-getriebene Rallyes sind immer auch gut daran erkennbar, dass die Anstiege mit auffallend wenig Volumen einhergehen (ich hatte das in Kommentaren zum SPX-Chart mehrmals erwähnt). Es ist schon ein Unterschied, ob Zockerbanken mit ES rumspielen, oder ob große Investmentfonds Aktienkäufen die Rallye unterfüttern. Die Fonds fallen als Käufer aus, weil sie in den letzten Wochen unter rekordhohen Mittelabflüssen infolge von "Redemption" litten: Joe Sixpack hat keinen Bock mehr auf die Ponzi-Spielchen.

ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/07/14/285706/...bout-this-rally/
Der USA Bären-Thread fkuebler
fkuebler:

Sieht man sofort: klassische V-shaped recovery ;-)

8
14.07.10 20:47

Fed Discussed Steps to Bolster Sputtering Recovery

Fed discussed steps to bolster sputtering recovery

Fed officials weighed steps to bolster recovery; lowers economic growth forecasts 

Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics WriterOn Wednesday July 14, 2010, 2:26 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal Reserve officials at their June meeting cut their forecasts for economic growth this year and weighed whether new steps would be needed to keep the recovery alive.

A new document, released Wednesday, revealed a more cautious mood among the Fed policymakers in light of Europe's debt crisis, a volatile Wall Street, a stalled housing market and high unemployment.

With risks now growing, Fed officials at their June 22-23 meeting saw the need to explore new options for bolstering the economy. That's a turnaround from earlier this year when they were moving to wind down crisis-era supports.

No new specific steps were disclosed or agreed upon.

In the end, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke and his colleagues agreed to hold a key interest rate at a record low near zero to help energize the economy. And they repeated a pledge to keep rates there for an "extended period."

At that time, Fed policymakers said they didn't think the slowing in the economy seen thus far warranted new stimulative actions besides those already in place, according to the minutes of the June meeting.

However, Fed officials said the central bank "would need to consider whether further policy stimulus might become appropriate if the outlook were to worsen appreciably," the document stated.

Fed officials concluded that the "economic outlook had softened somewhat." In fact, one-half of Fed officials saw "risks to growth as having moved to the downside."

Bernanke has publicly downplayed the odds of the economy sliding back into a "double-dip" recession. He will provide lawmakers in Congress with a fresh economic outlook in back-to-back appearances on Capitol Hill next week.

Economists predict the Fed will keep the key rate at record low well into next year and possibly into 2012. The Fed has leeway to hold it at a record low because inflation isn't a threat to the economy.

In fact, the minutes said that a few Fed officials worried about the risk of deflation. That's a widespread and destabilizing fall in prices of goods, prices of homes and stocks, and a drop in wages. The country's last serious bout with deflation was in the 1930s. Keeping interest rates at record lows would help combat any deflationary pressures.

If the U.S. recovery were to flash worrisome signs of a relapse, the Fed would likely take other steps to get it back on course. It's next regularly scheduled meeting is Aug. 10.

The Fed has left the door open to resume purchases of mortgage securities. It ended a $1.25 trillion mortgage-buying program in March, an initiative credited with driving down mortgage rates and bolstering the housing market earlier this year. However, some question how much of an economic benefit would come from reviving the program now. Mortgages rates are already at record lows but that has failed to energize sales and home refinancings.

A less likely move would be for the Fed to resume buying Treasury securities, a step it took during the crisis. Critics on Capitol Hill and elsewhere alleged the Fed was doing this to bankroll the federal government's record high deficits. The Fed said its government-debt buying program was aimed at lowering a range of rates to help revive the economy.

The Fed could cut its emergency lending rate to commercial banks, now at 0.75 percent. That rate was bumped up in February, when the Fed was started to raise the rate closer to normal. Still, the rate is considered low, and banks have scaled back on their use of the emergency Fed loans.

To foster the recovery, the Fed has left a key bank lending rate at between zero and 0.25 percent since December 2008. That has kept rates on certain credit cards, home equity loans, some adjustable-rate mortgages and other consumer loans at their lowest point in decades. But many Americans are cautious about making big-ticket purchases and businesses don't have much of an appetite to hire -- forces hobbling an energetic rebound.

Against this backdrop, Fed officials offered a slightly more downbeat view of the economy.

They now predict the economy will grow between 3 percent and 3.5 percent this year. That's down from forecast of 3.2 percent to 3.7 percent made in April.

There's little relief in sight for high unemployment. The jobless rate, now at 9.5 percent, would staying at that figure or in the best case falling to 9.2 percent this year. In the April forecast, the Fed had a slightly lower bottom number of 9.1 percent

 

 

Der USA Bären-Thread fkuebler
fkuebler:

Lieber AL #29, ich habe allergrösstes Verständnis,

8
14.07.10 20:57

"Im Text von Harrison findet sich das verbreitete Bullenargument, dass die Firmen nun ultraschlank ('lean to be bone') seien, weil sie viele Leute entlassen haben, und daher die Produktivität steigern und die Lohnstückkosten senken konnten
...
Die von Harrison genannten Effekte sind daher temporär und nicht nachhaltig. Sprich: Daraus wird kein 'selbsttragender Aufschwung'"

..., dass du dir nicht jeden Tinnef in deinem eigenen Thread in Gänze durchlesen kannst... Deshalb helfe ich (der ich viel mehr Zeit und Geduld habe) dir da gerne aus:

Harrison ist genau der Zusammenhang nämlich sehr klar, und er ist auch die Essenz seines Artikels, wie man u.a. hier sieht:

"It’s no coincidence that margins are high but employment has yet to rise significantly. I would say margins are high because employment costs have yet to rise significantly"

 :-)

Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

fk - Henne-Ei-Problem

7
14.07.10 21:19
Die Bullen sagen, die Firmen verdienen toll, jetzt muss nur noch die "Employment" massig steigen, und alles wird gut. Dabei wird unterschlagen, dass die Firmen nur deshalb leidlich gut verdienen, weil sie so viele Leute entlassen haben. Da beißt sich die Katze buchstäblich in den Schwanz.

Dass sich aus dieser Gemengelage ein "selbsttragender Aufschwung" entwickelt, bleibt der fromme Wunsch dieser Gesundbeter.
Der USA Bären-Thread permanent
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Home Sellers Slashing Prices, While Banks Mow the

7
14.07.10 21:22
Home Sellers Slashing Prices, While Banks Mow the Lawn
TRULIA, FORECLOSURES, HOME SALES, HOME PRICES, HOUSING, REAL ESTATE, REALTY NEWS, REAL ESTATE TRENDS,
Posted By: Diana Olick | CNBC Real Estate Reporter
cnbc.com
| 14 Jul 2010 | 12:16 PM ET

That heady buzz from the home buyer tax credit is now turning into a grinding headache, as home sellers realize their very temporary, government-induced catbird seat has now fallen back to earth.

As of July 1st, 24 percent of sellers on the market had cut their asking prices at least once, according to Trulia.com.

That's up 9 percent from the previous month and represents about $27 billion worth of vanished national home equity (or home equity hopes).

"The market is going to maintain a relatively flat trajectory, if not more like a saw tooth trajectory, for the near future, and meaningful recovery may not happen until some time in 2011, 2012," says Trulia's Heather Fernandez.

Shocking? Not so much.

We knew the price stabilization was largely due to increased buying activity on the low end from the home buyer tax credit. The issue now, front and center, is foreclosures. We've already seen a few reports, and I expect we'll see more, that show new foreclosures "stabilizing," while bank repossessions are increasing.

 

First of all, the stabilization is at such a high rate that it's clearly an unsustainable stabilization for the economic recovery. New foreclosure notices need to drop, not just bump around at their near-record highs. And frankly the bank repossession number is a much bigger deal, because that is going to translate into immediate inventory on the market.

Do banks hold on to foreclosure inventory?

Of course they do, but in Los Angeles at least, they're getting a big incentive to dump it fast. L.A. last week passed a new city ordinance that fines banks, servicers, whoever owns the foreclosed property, up to $100,000 for letting the property fall into disrepair. We've heard and seen plenty of stories about run-down, stripped homes littering the landscape, with their overgrown lawns and broken front fences standing as glaring examples of what is not recovering in the housing market.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if more big cities do the same, and I'd encourage them to do so.

Let's face it, banks don't want to be homeowners, and they certainly don't want to shell out even more of their dwindling cash on lawn services and handymen. Whatever incentives there are out there to turn these properties over to homeowners who can actually afford them are certainly welcome.

The trouble is that there appears to be a dangerous disconnect in the housing market right now: Housing starts are at an all-time low and yet the home vacancy rate is rising. The only way that can happen is if the number of households is shrinking more than we know. Add bank repossessed homes to that mix, and I'm guessing home prices will dip more than some are expecting.

Der USA Bären-Thread fkuebler
fkuebler:

AL #33, du nervst ein bisschen,...

9
14.07.10 21:31

"Dass sich aus dieser Gemengelage ein 'selbsttragender Aufschwung' entwickelt, bleibt der fromme Wunsch dieser Gesundbeter"

..., denn genau das hatte Harrison ja auch gesagt:

"Bottom line: retail sales were weak. The economic data we have seen of late – manufacturing, employment, personal income – all suggest a slowing in economic growth. But, if companies put in a decent quarter of earnings, shares can rally. Nevertheless, anticipated earnings growth into 2011 is very high given already record profit margins. Unless economic growth picks up, this growth is unlikely to be met"

Und gleichzeitig sagt er eben das, was wir alle mehr oder weniger leidvoll zur Kenntnis genommen haben, nämlich dass trotzdem "shares can rally"...

Auf meine dazu passende Standard-Empfehlung "short Call" verzichte ich ausnahmsweise, denn ich will ja jetzt nicht auch noch nerven... ;-)

Der USA Bären-Thread Stöffen
Stöffen:

Welcome to the Machine

5
14.07.10 21:40
Ein superber Pink Floyd-Titel, welcher evtl. hier noch einigen Membern geläufig ist, welchen man aktuell durchaus auch beziehen könnte auf

The Money Making Machines bzw. der Kampf der Maschinen geht unaufhörlich weiter, AI ist der Code dazu.

"Computers and algorithms are only getting faster and more robust."

Letting the Machines Decide

New Wave of Investment Firms Look to 'Artificial Intelligence' in Trade Decisions

Wall Street is notorious for not learning from its mistakes. Maybe machines can do better.

That is the hope of an increasing number of investors who are turning to the science of artificial intelligence to make investment decisions.

With artificial intelligence, programmers don't just set up computers to make decisions in response to certain inputs. They attempt to enable the systems to learn from decisions, and adapt. Most investors trying the approach are using "machine learning," a branch of artificial intelligence in which a computer program analyzes huge chunks of data and makes predictions about the future. It is used by tech companies such as Google Inc. to match Web searches with results and NetFlix Inc. to predict which movies users are likely to rent.

One upstart in the AI race on Wall Street is Rebellion Research, a tiny New York hedge fund with about $7 million in capital that has been using a machine-learning program it developed to invest in stocks. Run by a small team of twentysomething math and computer whizzes, Rebellion has a solid track record, topping the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index by an average of 10% a year, after fees, since its 2007 launch through June, according to people familiar with the fund. Like many hedge funds, its goal is to beat the broader market year after year.

"It's pretty clear that human beings aren't improving," said Spencer Greenberg, 27 years old and the brains behind Rebellion's AI system. "But computers and algorithms are only getting faster and more robust."

Some sophisticated hedge funds such as Renaissance Technologies LLC, based in East Setauket, N.Y., are said to have deployed AI to invest. But for years, these firms were the exception. Some firms that have dabbled in AI are skeptical it is anywhere close to working.

Rebellion is part of a new wave of firms using machine learning to trade. Cerebellum Capital, a San Francisco hedge fund with $10 million in assets, started using machine learning to invest in 2009. A number of high-frequency trading firms, such as RGM Advisors LLC in Austin, Texas, and Getco LLC in Chicago, are using machine learning to help their computer systems trade in and out of stocks efficiently, according to people familiar with the firms.

The programs are effective, advocates say, because they can crunch huge amounts of data in short periods, "learn" what works, and adjust their strategies on the fly. In contrast, the typical quantitative approach may employ a single strategy or even a combination of strategies at once, but may not move between them or modify them based on what the program determines works best.

"No human could do this," said Michael Kearns, a computer-science professor at the University of Pennsylvania who has used AI to invest at firms such as Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. "Your head would blow off."

Rebellion has struggled to raise money, in part because investors since the credit crisis are dubious of opaque math-based strategies.

The firm has attracted at least one long-time "quant" skeptic: famed value investor Jean-Marie Eveillard, who recently invested several hundred thousand dollars of his own money into Rebellion. "My cup of tea is not quantitative investing," he said. "But I think they are serious investors, and I'm impressed by the fact that they don't have a high turnover…and don't use leverage."

Rebellion's Mr. Greenberg is no stranger to the investing world. His father, Glenn Greenberg, is an iconoclastic value investor and manager of Brave Warrior Advisors, who recently split from his partners at Chieftain Capital Management Inc. His grandfather, legendary baseball slugger "Hammerin' Hank" Greenberg, played for the Detroit Tigers in the 1930s and '40s.

Past success doesn't mean Rebellion will continue to beat the market. As with many quant strategies, its system could stop working if market fundamentals change in ways that trip up its computer program, known as "Star."

What makes Star intelligent, says Mr. Greenberg, is its ability to adjust its strategy based on shifting dynamics in the market and broader economy. The program isn't wed to any single investing approach. Under certain conditions, the fund will buy cheap stocks, in others it will favor stocks with swiftly rising prices—or both at the same time.

Unlike the high-frequency funds that use artificial intelligence to aid rapid trading, Rebellion tends to hold stocks for long periods—on average four months but in some instances more than two years. It also doesn't short stocks or use leverage, or borrowed money, which can amplify returns but also boost risks.

The program monitors about 30 factors that can affect a stock's performance, such as price-to-earnings ratios or interest rates.

The program regularly crunches more than a decade of historical market data and the latest market action to size up whether to buy or sell a stock. When certain strategies stop working, the program automatically incorporates that information, "learns," and adjusts the portfolio.

For instance, it may detect data indicating stocks with low price-to-earning ratios are likely to rise and load up on those stocks. Then, if the program later finds that the strategy is likely to lose steam, based on shifts in the factors it tracks, it will dump those stocks and buy stocks it deems more favorable.

Every morning, Star recommends a list of stocks to buy or sell—often it offers no changes at all. A human trader implements the moves. The firm says it never overrules the computer program, which is largely the same system they started with in 2007, with a few nips and tucks. Rebellion typically holds about 60 to 70 stocks at any time.
Mr. Greenberg started designing Star in mid-2005, soon after he graduated from Columbia University with an engineering degree. He was joined by Alexander Fleiss, a high-school friend with a background in finance and math, as well as Jonathan Sturges, who has a master's degree in music composition, and Jeremy Newton, a mathematician who helped design the AI program.

In January 2007, with $2 million in capital, the program started picking stocks. That spring, it started moving into defensive positions such as utilities. Rebellion gained 17% in 2007, compared with the 6.4% gain by the Dow Jones Industrial Average, according to people familiar with the fund.

It stayed defensive throughout most of 2008, holding gold, oil and utility stocks. Still, it lost money like most investors, sliding 26% but topping the 34% decline by the Dow industrials.

In early 2009, Star started to buy beaten-down stocks such as banks and insurers, which would benefit from a recovery. "He just loaded up on value stocks," said Mr. Fleiss, referring to the AI program. The fund gained 41% in 2009, more than doubling the Dow's 19% gain.

The firm's current portfolio is largely defensive. One of its biggest positions is in gold stocks, according to people familiar with the fund.
The defensive move at first worried Mr. Fleiss, who had grown bullish. But it has proven a smart move so far. "I've learned not to question the AI," he said.

online.wsj.com/article/...2748703834604575365310813948080.html
Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!
Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

Ich gebe zu

8
14.07.10 21:50
dass ich nebenbei in der Küche vegetarische Bio-Teigtaschen mit einer Sauce aus frischen Pfifferlingen, Gorgonzola und Knobi zubereitet habe und dass ich Deinen Text nur überfliegen konnte. Wenn man wirklich alles, was hier gepostet wird, gründlich durchliest, reichen die 24 Std., die ein Tag nur hat, leider nicht aus ;-)

Vielleicht können wir uns auf "Hauptsache es fällt" einigen und das Auffinden der "wahren Gründe" einer tiefenpsychologischen Studie von Mr. Market überlassen. Er wirkt in letzter Zeit übrigens "überreizt"...;-)

Ungeachtet dessen bleibe ich dabei, dass die Bullen sich mit den in # 029 beschriebenen "selbstreferentiellen Zirkelschlüssen" auf dem logischen Abstellgleis befinden.
Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

Ein weiterer Zirkelschluss

2
14.07.10 21:55
bei Bubblevision:

1. Der Dollar fällt, weil sich die US-Wirtschaft abschwächt

2. Der schwächere Dollar hilft den US-Exporten, deshalb steigen Aktien

Im Endeffekt heißt das: US-Aktien steigen, weil sich die US-Wirtschaft abschwächt, LOL

Andere Variante:

Der Dollar fällt, weil "Investoren" wieder höhere Risiken eingehen und den "sicheren Hafen" verlassen. Dabei würden auch Aktien und Rohstoffe gekauft. Das Argument stinkt freilich bei den rekord-tiefen Staatsanleihen-Erträgen.
Der USA Bären-Thread fkuebler
fkuebler:

Nach deinem freiwilligen Geständnis, lieber AL #37

7
14.07.10 21:57

..., bin ich bereit, grosszügig auf weitere Verfolgung zu verzichten und den Fall hiermit einzustellen... ;-)

Der USA Bären-Thread Stöffen
Stöffen:

Nun ja

8
14.07.10 22:05
jeder mag da sehen, was er zu sehen imstande ist ;-))
Der USA Bären-Thread 332173
Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!
Der USA Bären-Thread swizzy
swizzy:

Malko und AL

9
14.07.10 22:41
Problem an den Aussagen Rehns ist doch im Kern, dass die keine Ermächtigung für eine Verwendung der Gelder zur Rekapitalisierung von Banken besteht. Das Deutsche Umsetzungsgesetz gilt als Ultima Ratio zur Stabilisierung des Euro durch Bürgschaften für Anleihen von anderen Euro Staaten bzw. Anleihen der Finanzstabiliserungsagentur oder wie auch immer dieses Ungetüm heißt. Wenn man die Knete zur Rekapitalisierung (auch noch ausländischer Banken) nutzen will, dann haut das BVerfG den Jungs das um die Ohren und zwar völlig zu Recht. Das wars dann mit der Solange-Rechtsprechung und der Schonfrist. Die Europäische Union ist zu einem Ungetüm geworden. Wir sollten uns schnellstens dort verabschieden.

Die drei Gründe, warum die EGKS ursprünglich gegründet wurde sind völlig in den Hintergrund getreten: Die Verhinderung von Krieg, Die Verhinderung von Krieg und drittens, wer hätte es gedacht, Die Verhinderung von Krieg.

Mann sollte sie dringend auf das reduzieren was sie ursprünglich war.
Sagt der Zentralbanker zum Medienfürsten, du hältst sie dumm, ich mach sie arm.
Der USA Bären-Thread wawidu
wawidu:

zu US-Exporten

10
14.07.10 22:55
Ich habe mir gerade mal die Mühe gemacht, bei FRED eine ellenlange Liste der Juni-Daten von Importen und Exporten durchzusehen. Diese sind leider nicht in USD, sondern lediglich indexiert angegeben. Dabei fiel mir Folgendes auf: Nur wenige Warengruppen haben in den letzten Monaten deutlich zugelegt und fast wieder das Vorrezessionsniveau erreicht. In erster Linie sind hier zivile Flugzeuge und Ersatzteile zu nennen. Militärische Güter sind in der Liste nicht zu finden. Auffällig der schon längere Anstieg bei Feldfrüchten (crop products) - Februar 2009: 125 Punkte/Juni 2010: 185,5 Punkte -, Baumwolle - Februar 2009: 89 Punkte/Juni 2010: 146 Punkte.
Die Exportentwicklung bei Kohle finde ich schon sehr merkwürdig: Februar 2010: 109 Punkte - Juni 2010: 249 Punkte. Der Chart des DJ US Coal Index gibt diesbezüglich absolut nichts her. Mich würde brennend interessieren, wohin die ganze Exportkohle wohl gelangt ist. Ich habe da so eine Idee: Vielleicht wurden ja große Kohlehalden, die ein Freund von mir noch im März in den USA gesehen hatte, aus den USA nach Kanada verlagert? Würde eigentlich zu dem "Lug-und-Trug-System" passen.
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Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
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Chinas Wachstum verlangsamt sich

5
15.07.10 07:05
July 14, 2010, 10:20 p.m. EDT
China second-quarter GDP and June inflation slow
By V. Phani Kumar

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) -- China reported a slowdown in second-quarter gross domestic product growth as well as a number of other economic indicators for June on Thursday, indicating the nation's rapid expansion was beginning to cool as it withdrew some of its expansionary policies. The first-half GDP growth came in at 11.1%, slower than the 11.9% growth recorded in the first quarter. The second-quarter GDP data wasn't immediately available. The country's consumer price index for June increased 2.9% while its producer price index expanded 6.4% from the year-earlier month, with both measures falling below economists' expectations for 3.3% and 6.8%, according to a Dow Jones Newswires survey. June retail sales grew 18.3% and monthly industrial production expanded 13.7%, also slowing from May and dropping below estimates. In May, China's consumer and producer prices rose 3.1% and 7.1%, respectively, while its retail sales and industrial production expanded 18.7% and 16.5%, respectively.
Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

Fitch warnt vor massivem Geschiebe bei Chinabanken

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15.07.10 07:44

Kleinere Banken in China sind akut bedroht, weil sie mit "off-balance-sheet-loans"  einen massiven grauen Kreditmarkt eröffnet haben. Die Kredite wurden verbrieft und Investoren als "Investments" angedient, obwohl sie zum Zocken (z. B. in Immobilien) dienten. Das Vehikel sind Trusts, vergleichbar informellen Zweckgesellschaften (wie sie dt. Landesbanken in Irland unterhielten). Hunderte Milliarden Dollar an Kreditvergabe erfolgte in diesem hochspekulativen Graumarkt  "unter der Hand". Fitch sorgt sich zu Recht, dass viele dieser Kredite - die oft in überteuerte Immobilien flossen - faul werden könnten und die Trusts - und mit ihnen die Banken - in den Abgrund reißen.

 


 

New York Times, July 14, 2010
Report Warns of Risks to China’s Bank System
By DAVID BARBOZA

SHANGHAI — A week after the Agricultural Bank of China raised nearly $20 billion from global investors in one of the biggest stock offerings in history, analysts are warning about growing risks to China’s banking system.

A report released on Wednesday by Fitch, the credit ratings agency, said Chinese banks were increasingly engaging in complex deals that hid the size and nature of their lending, obscuring hundreds of billions of dollars in loans and possibly even masking a coming wave of bad real estate and infrastructure loans.

The report also said that Chinese regulators understated loan growth in the first half of the year, by 28 percent, or about $190 billion, and that many banks continued to secretly shift loans off the books, creating a “pervasive understatement of credit growth and credit exposure.”

“The growing amount of credit moving out of the banking system through these channels is one of the most disconcerting trends we’ve seen in China in recent years,” Charlene Chu, a Beijing-based banking analyst at Fitch, said of the practice of repackaging loans and moving them off bank balance sheets.

While China’s economy remains robust, the report is troubling because the country’s recovery has been fueled by aggressive lending and soaring property prices. Lending by state-run banks was one of China’s most aggressive forms of stimulus last year, but analysts constantly warned that banks could face the risk from overbuilding and nonperforming loans.

Beijing is trying to tame housing prices, rein in overly aggressive lending and stop banks from shifting loans off their books.

China’s biggest banks, like Bank of China and China Construction Bank, are relatively healthy, analysts say. But many banks could face sizable risks if borrowers failed to repay loans.

Analysts say that trying to rein in growth is a delicate and precarious balancing act and that even regulators are struggling to keep up with the rapid innovation in the banking system.

Chinese banks reported a sharp drop in lending in the first half of the year after record amounts in 2009, suggesting that the economy was growing at a strong clip with more normalized lending.

But Fitch said on Wednesday that lending had continued to be aggressive — powering the economy, but raising the risk of nonperforming loans.

Much of the lending through off-balance-sheet channels is fueled by trust companies, mostly privately owned, that are partnering with banks and engaging in complex deals that involve repackaging loans into investment products — akin to an informal type of securitization.

The deals are essentially disguised loans, analysts say. Beijing has tried repeatedly to stop the practice, but analysts say that banks and trust companies have come up with innovative ways around the rules.

Last week, the China Banking Regulatory Commission ordered banks to stop working with trust companies to securitize or repackage loans, according to industry analysts. But the regulator made no official announcement.

A spokesman in Beijing for the commission declined to comment on Wednesday, insisting that senior officials needed to be alerted to the request for an interview.

Stephen Green, a Shanghai-based analyst at Standard Chartered Bank, said trust companies in China were acting as intermediaries and partnering with banks to raise and then lend money to a variety of projects.

According to his estimate, trust companies raised hundreds of billions of dollars in 2009 and the first five months of 2010, partly because depositors were frustrated by low interest rates at banks, and trust companies were willing to offer double that amount with principal guaranteed.

Mr. Green called the practice troublesome.

“There’s limited transparency, so obviously that’s a red flag,” he said in a telephone interview.

Worries about a potential wave of bad loans have led regulators to pressure Chinese banks to raise more capital and strengthen their balance sheets.

Banks have also been pressed to lower their exposure to local government debt — money often raised for huge infrastructure projects.

But analysts now say they believe that banks are lowering their exposure to local debt and hiding the size of their lending by working even more aggressively with trust companies.

Analysts say that last year the process worked something like this: a bank would hand over a big loan, say $50 million, to a private trust company in exchange for $50 million in cash. Then the trust company would create a wealth management product out of the loan and give it to the bank to sell to investors and depositors. The money raised would be given back to the trust company.

Investors would receive as much as double the regular saving rate and their principal when the loan was repaid.

That $50 million would then be given to the trust company as if it were an investment;
in fact, it was a short-term, high-interest loan to finance a real estate project.

Now, analysts say, to get around new regulations, the transactions are much more complex, but have the same aim — to pretend that a loan is an investment.

If the developer or trust company fails and cannot repay the loan, analysts say the banks could face huge, unrecognized risks. But curtailing the practice will not be easy, Ms. Chu at Fitch Ratings said.

“Before, banks were trying to create these things with trust companies to get them out,” she said. “But now, with inflation and interest rates so low, and property prices low, bank customers are going into banks and demanding this option.”

www.nytimes.com/2010/07/15/business/global/15yuan.html

 


 

Link zum Fitch-Bericht:

graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/business/15yuan-report.pdf

 

Der USA Bären-Thread Malko07
Malko07:

Pleitegeier will BP retten

8
15.07.10 08:58
Der USA Bären-Thread 8320134
Der Ölgigant BP gerät durch die Umweltkatastrophe im Golf von Mexiko wirtschaftlich immer stärker unter Druck. Selbst eine Teilverstaatlichung scheint nicht mehr ausgeschlossen.
Der USA Bären-Thread Malko07
Malko07:

#66045: Fitch sollte sich lieber

11
15.07.10 09:51
um die US-Banken sorgen.

Die momentanen Schieflagen im chinesischen Finanzsystem sind für die dortige Regierung Peanuts. Im Gegensatz zu den USA können sie die eigenen Banken mit eigenen Mitteln retten.

Nicht dass man mich missversteht. Ich finde viele staatliche Aktionen in China als hirnrissig und mittelfristig für die wirtschaftliche Entwicklung absolut kontraproduktiv. Es wird die entsprechenden Rückschläge geben und dabei auch etliche Banken in Schwierigkeiten bringen. Jedoch wenn ein Land sich diesen Unsinn noch "leisten" kann ist es China. Aber die US-Rating-Agenturen tun alles um von der Lage in den USA abzulenken. Sie haben derartig viel Dreck am Stecken, dass die gesamten Führungsebenen hinter Gitter könnten wenn die US-Administration nur wollte. Also kämpfen sie fleißig mit andere in den Abgrund zu ziehen, damit der US-Staat seine Neuverschuldung weiter in irrsinnige Höhen treiben kann. Und dabei wird sich keine trauen die Bewertung der USA zu ändern (siehe weiter oben).
Der USA Bären-Thread Anti Lemming
Anti Lemming:

Die Wahrheit über Goldman

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15.07.10 10:26
www.ftd.de/wissen/natur/...nnte-wege-als-gedacht/50144380.html
Der USA Bären-Thread relaxed
relaxed:

#66048 Wieso Goldmann?

4
15.07.10 10:31
Da geht es doch um Schmalnasenaffen wie mich, nicht um Blankfeinaffen.
Der USA Bären-Thread Stöffen
Stöffen:

zu # 66046

6
15.07.10 11:27
Große Anteilseigner bei Exxon, Chevron, Halliburton sind die Rockefellers, bei BP dagegen sind es die Rothschilds. Interessanter- aber vielleicht durchaus bezeichnenderweise entwirft der Banker Eric de Rothschild nach dem BP-Debakel im Golf von Mexico aktuell analog dazu ein düsteres wirtschaftliches Szenario für das künftige Europa.

Banker Rothschild sagt Europa bittere Zeit voraus

HAMBURG (awp international) - Europa steuert nach Überzeugung des französischen Bankers Eric de Rothschild auf eine wirtschaftlich sehr harte Zeit zu. "Der Schuldenberg, der in manchen Ländern Europas heute existiert, wird das künftige Wirtschaftswachstum massiv beeinträchtigen", sagte Rothschild der Wochenzeitung "Die Zeit". Der Kontinent werde "durch eine extrem schwierige Periode gehen", prophezeite der 70-Jährige.

Die Lösung der Probleme stehe nach seiner Einschätzung erst ganz am Anfang. "Die meisten Länder haben erst angekündigt, welche Massnahmen sie ergreifen werden. Die Politiker sollten aufhören mit ihren taktierenden Spielchen und ihren Wählern reinen Wein einschenken. Ja, die Reichen werden mehr Steuern zahlen müssen, und die Arbeiter werden länger arbeiten müssen. Und keine Frage, der wirtschaftliche Wohlstand wird sinken", sagte der Bankier.

Soziale Konflikte wie in Griechenland befürchtet de Rothschild aber nicht. "In Griechenland habe ich eine interessante Feststellung gemacht. Diese Krawalle kamen nicht wirklich aus der Bevölkerung. Klar, die Leute sind auf die Strasse gegangen und haben protestiert. Doch die Krawalle anschliessend waren organisiert", sagte er.

www.swissinfo.ch/ger/news/newsticker/...raus.html?cid=17962434
Bubbles are normal and non-bubble times are depressions!

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