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Da wirst du aber einige klassiker verpassen. Kawas niemals vergessenes „menschen brauchen stühle“... das sind momente, da weiss man, warum man hier geld investiert.
Zur Kenntnis:
Ich halte immer noch meine Aktien seit dem Kauf am 26.01.
Seit dem habe ich weder verkauft noch gekauft und ich wiederhole mich:
Der Aktienkurs wird nach der vorläufigen Bilanzveröffentlichung auf den realen Wert- Minus eines Vertrauensmalus steigen bzw. sinken. Alles davor ist reines hin und her traden...
Ich halte immer noch meine Aktien seit dem Kauf am 26.01.
Seit dem habe ich weder verkauft noch gekauft und ich wiederhole mich:
Der Aktienkurs wird nach der vorläufigen Bilanzveröffentlichung auf den realen Wert- Minus eines Vertrauensmalus steigen bzw. sinken. Alles davor ist reines hin und her traden...
a darauf haben wir doch gewartet! Angebliche ATL Käufer, die ergo, wenns überhaupt stimmt, seit wenigen Handelstagen dabei sind und UNS jetzt erklären wollen, wie SH, dessen Management und überhaupt die Börse tickt. Vermutlich mit nem SL 5-10% unter EK und 200% Glück bisher. Leute, geht woanders spielen. Haltet eure pseudo Weisheiten für euch und freut euch, wenn ihr euer Taschengeld abzüglich 10% Ordergebühren verdoppelt habt. Danke!
Der Stern war für das von dir erwähnte kawa Zitat, da er das selbst geklaut hatte und ich folglich Plagiatismus nicht gut heißen kann...;)
noch mal etwas von Inside Retail aber nichts neues
www.insideretail.com.au/blog/2018/05/21/...creditor-standoff/
www.insideretail.com.au/blog/2018/05/21/...creditor-standoff/
was von Heute.
www.biznews.com/undictated/2018/05/21/...-firm-fresh-funding/
www.biznews.com/undictated/2018/05/21/...-firm-fresh-funding/
However, the extent to which it will manage to restructure debt could be hampered by widespread intercompany loans. These had "muddied the waters", said an analyst who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We are talking about a few billion euros flowing into and out of these two [Austrian] entities, and to other South African companies," he said.
www.google.de/amp/s/...ebt-puts-steinhoffs-sa-assets-at-risk/
www.google.de/amp/s/...ebt-puts-steinhoffs-sa-assets-at-risk/
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die Frage ist wann Verhandlungsergebnisse bekannt gegeben werden bzw wie lange die in London verhandeln. Bis Ende dieser Woche ?! Die Vorschläge sind ja mit Sicherheit nicht neu.......
DEAL VALUED AT R2.3BN
Steinhoff repurchased shares from its employee scheme
The repurchase was not a related party transaction and there was no need to make the disclosure
21 MAY 2018 - 06:54 ANN CROTTY
Steinhoff International repurchased 40.4-million shares from its employee share-participation scheme in a transaction valued at about R2.3bn just weeks before the December 2017 announcement about "accounting irregularities" wiped out most of the value of the shares.
The purchase of shares from a special purpose vehicle Steinhoff Sikhulasonke Investments, which was set up as an employee/black economic empowerment (BEE) initiative in 2008, was part of a 78.4-million share repurchase transaction undertaken by Steinhoff around October 24 2017. It cost about R4.7bn. [...]
Quelle: www.businesslive.co.za/bd/companies/...m-its-employee-scheme/
Steinhoff repurchased shares from its employee scheme
The repurchase was not a related party transaction and there was no need to make the disclosure
21 MAY 2018 - 06:54 ANN CROTTY
Steinhoff International repurchased 40.4-million shares from its employee share-participation scheme in a transaction valued at about R2.3bn just weeks before the December 2017 announcement about "accounting irregularities" wiped out most of the value of the shares.
The purchase of shares from a special purpose vehicle Steinhoff Sikhulasonke Investments, which was set up as an employee/black economic empowerment (BEE) initiative in 2008, was part of a 78.4-million share repurchase transaction undertaken by Steinhoff around October 24 2017. It cost about R4.7bn. [...]
Quelle: www.businesslive.co.za/bd/companies/...m-its-employee-scheme/
heute morgen in 3 min, geht los.....
0.1325.
Bin gespannt ob wir jetzt täglich 5-10% machen.
Die Rakete wird aber vermutlich erst starten wenn keiner mwhr daran glaubt.
Bin gespannt ob wir jetzt täglich 5-10% machen.
Die Rakete wird aber vermutlich erst starten wenn keiner mwhr daran glaubt.
Wieviele Steinhoffmillionäre gibt es denn inzwischen? Ich frage explizit die Papertrader und Amateure, die ja alle zu €0,1000 gekauft haben, oder?
Achtung, eine wichtige Durchsage:"Kurs bewegt sich! Es geht rauf und wieder runter!" FYI.
Achtung, eine wichtige Durchsage:"Kurs bewegt sich! Es geht rauf und wieder runter!" FYI.
Steinhoff: Austrian debt puts SA assets at risk
Debt of R145bn must be restructured - Loans make it difficult to separate entities with value
Steinhoff’s web of intercompany loans was brought to light for the first time on Friday, raising questions about the value of its hitherto prized South African assets.
The embattled furniture retailer, which admitted to accounting irregularities in December 2017, must urgently restructure €9.6bn (R145bn) in external debt held primarily by its Austrian finance companies, Steinhoff Europe and Steinhoff Finance Holding.
This arises as it faces mounting litigation over possible fraud, including a R59bn claim from its former chairman, Christo Wiese.
“The liquidity position of the group’s key finance companies is not sustainable beyond the next few months, absent a solution,” Steinhoff said in a presentation to lenders in London.
The group undertook to provide an update on the discussion with lenders by June 29 at the latest, when it issues interim earnings.
However, the extent to which it will manage to restructure debt could be hampered by widespread intercompany loans. These had “muddied the waters”, said an analyst who spoke on condition of anonymity. “We are talking about a few billion euros flowing into and out of these two [Austrian] entities, and to other South African companies,” he said.
These loans made it difficult to separate the entities that had value, previously considered to be the South African businesses, from those that had negative value.
Steinhoff Europe had intercompany loans payable to Steinhoff Finance Holding and Steinhoff Africa Holdings totalling about €1bn.
Steinhoff Europe was in turn owed about €3.7bn from other companies in the group.
“I thought they could devolve a lot of the indebtedness in the finance companies down to the operating companies. But the intercompany loans complicate that,” said the fund manager.
SA’s exchange-control laws, directors’ duties and financing restrictions at operating companies restricted Steinhoff’s ability to “upstream cash” from
its underlying businesses, the company said. Steinhoff expects the group’s retail operations to post revenue of €9.4bn for the six months to March, a 1% increase on the prior period’s restated figure. Retail operations were expected to be profitable for the period.
But “central costs” relating to restructuring, liquidity, litigation and a forensic investigation into its accounts would drive an after-tax loss on a group basis.
In an update on each of its operating entities, Steinhoff said Austria’s Kika Leiner and Mattress Firm required group funding. Discount retailers Poundland and Pepco were stable, while Conforama was profitable but could not yet be sold at fair value.
“The underlying businesses have not fallen in a heap. And that’s good news,” said Wayne McCurrie, a fund manager at Ashburton Investments.
Still, a restructuring of Steinhoff’s debt remained critical to realise the value in these businesses, McCurrie said.
Steinhoff was working on a detailed plan that could be “put to creditors shortly”, which would include agreements on asset disposals to fund its ongoing liquidity requirements, the company said.
Steinhoff hoped to push back by three years the dates at which its debt matures and pay no cash interest on this debt, except on loans to its real estate business, Hemisphere.
Investors were no closer to determining an overall value for Steinhoff, as the extent of liabilities, litigation and profit restatements of previous years results was not yet clear, McCurrie said.
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Debt of R145bn must be restructured - Loans make it difficult to separate entities with value
Steinhoff’s web of intercompany loans was brought to light for the first time on Friday, raising questions about the value of its hitherto prized South African assets.
The embattled furniture retailer, which admitted to accounting irregularities in December 2017, must urgently restructure €9.6bn (R145bn) in external debt held primarily by its Austrian finance companies, Steinhoff Europe and Steinhoff Finance Holding.
This arises as it faces mounting litigation over possible fraud, including a R59bn claim from its former chairman, Christo Wiese.
“The liquidity position of the group’s key finance companies is not sustainable beyond the next few months, absent a solution,” Steinhoff said in a presentation to lenders in London.
The group undertook to provide an update on the discussion with lenders by June 29 at the latest, when it issues interim earnings.
However, the extent to which it will manage to restructure debt could be hampered by widespread intercompany loans. These had “muddied the waters”, said an analyst who spoke on condition of anonymity. “We are talking about a few billion euros flowing into and out of these two [Austrian] entities, and to other South African companies,” he said.
These loans made it difficult to separate the entities that had value, previously considered to be the South African businesses, from those that had negative value.
Steinhoff Europe had intercompany loans payable to Steinhoff Finance Holding and Steinhoff Africa Holdings totalling about €1bn.
Steinhoff Europe was in turn owed about €3.7bn from other companies in the group.
“I thought they could devolve a lot of the indebtedness in the finance companies down to the operating companies. But the intercompany loans complicate that,” said the fund manager.
SA’s exchange-control laws, directors’ duties and financing restrictions at operating companies restricted Steinhoff’s ability to “upstream cash” from
its underlying businesses, the company said. Steinhoff expects the group’s retail operations to post revenue of €9.4bn for the six months to March, a 1% increase on the prior period’s restated figure. Retail operations were expected to be profitable for the period.
But “central costs” relating to restructuring, liquidity, litigation and a forensic investigation into its accounts would drive an after-tax loss on a group basis.
In an update on each of its operating entities, Steinhoff said Austria’s Kika Leiner and Mattress Firm required group funding. Discount retailers Poundland and Pepco were stable, while Conforama was profitable but could not yet be sold at fair value.
“The underlying businesses have not fallen in a heap. And that’s good news,” said Wayne McCurrie, a fund manager at Ashburton Investments.
Still, a restructuring of Steinhoff’s debt remained critical to realise the value in these businesses, McCurrie said.
Steinhoff was working on a detailed plan that could be “put to creditors shortly”, which would include agreements on asset disposals to fund its ongoing liquidity requirements, the company said.
Steinhoff hoped to push back by three years the dates at which its debt matures and pay no cash interest on this debt, except on loans to its real estate business, Hemisphere.
Investors were no closer to determining an overall value for Steinhoff, as the extent of liabilities, litigation and profit restatements of previous years results was not yet clear, McCurrie said.
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die Frage ist wer noch so billig verkauft :-))
Naja jeder macht mal Fehler.
Naja jeder macht mal Fehler.
für mich nicht (von Anfang an nicht), das muss jeder für sich entscheiden.
The underlying businesses have not fallen in a heap. And that’s good news,” said Wayne McCurrie, a fund manager at Ashburton Investments.
Die kriegen das hin, auch ohne "Forumsanalysten".
0.1 50.000.000 Sh aktien gekauft hat ist jetzt schon Steinhoffmillionär, @Markettrader.
Hab jetzt alles drin, von Ek 0,90 bis Ek 0,10, fast ein halbes Jahr im "Kaufrausch".
Jetzt noch ein Quentchen Glück....
Jetzt noch ein Quentchen Glück....
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Wer bei 0,2 10.000.000 gekauft hat ist jetzt auch Steinhoffmillionär
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