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Was habt ihr verstanden ich bin seit 2009 hier ich habe mehrere zehn tausend investiert ja ich hab vielen Erfahrungen gesammelt was ich nicht brauche.
Was ich brauche ist weg.
Was ich brauche ist weg.
aus I-Hub von Don
Section 382 is triggered when a change in ownership occurs, defined loosely as an increase in ownership interest of at least 50% by shareholders owning 5% or more of the target's stock, over a 3-year period. The precise definition of a qualifying ownership change is complex, but it is sufficient to assume that in any taxable or non-taxable business combination, a qualifying ownership change under Section 382 occurs.
Companies seeking to raise substantial equity financing should consider issuing straight preferred stock (no voting or conversion rights or participation in future earnings) rather than common stock. We are in a phase of stability with keeping with the 382 limitation to protect our valuable NOL's.
Now pay attention to this next part....
Section 382 requires that the buyer meet the continuity of business enterprise requirement; continuing use of the target's historic business or a significant portion of the target's assets in an existing business for 2 years following the transaction. If the continuity of business requirement is not met, the annual NOL limitation is zero. The continuity of business requirement, together with the annual NOL usage limitation, effectively discourage acquisitions of loss companies for their NOL alone.
When marking the acquired balance sheet to fair value under purchase accounting, the acquirer must consider whether it can fully utilize the acquired NOL. If not, the target's DTA attributable to NOL must be written down. Whether or not the NOL can be fully utilized is a function of the Section 382 constraint and the remaining life of the NOL
Here is what you really want to know.
Recall from the equation above that the Section 382 annual limitation is a function of the purchase price.
If a prospective acquirer of a distressed, publicly traded target with large NOL waits until the target's stock price falls further to seek a deal, Section 382 may be more punitive and the NOL worth considerably less than had the acquisition been consummated at a higher purchase price.
Therefore, where a target's NOL are important to an acquirer, the acquirer should be somewhat less sensitive to price and may prefer to act quickly in securing the deal before the target's stock price falls too much and destroys the value of the NOL.
To answer your notes question
The IRS created Section 382 to deter acquisitions of companies with substantial NOL solely motivated by tax avoidance objectives, without any valid business purpose. To accomplish this, Section 382 severely restricts the buyer's use of acquired NOL following a change in ownership, limiting annual use of such NOL to:
The Section 382 limitation may be circumvented if the target and buyer collaborate to sell unwanted target assets with unrealized built-in gains before the acquisition occurs. (Motion to Sell Run-off notes) The target may then use its NOL to offset the gain on the sale without limitation. If the unwanted asset disposal occurred after the transaction, on the other hand, the NOL would be subject to limitation under Section 382 would not go as far in shielding the gain.
It is estimated WMIH will pick up another 3 Billion in NOL's if they sell these assets. This adds more value for the acquirer.
You can not (as an acquirer) acquire an NOL rich company for less than the grossed up value.
books.google.com/...0notice%202008-83%20bankruptcy&f=false
Start at Chapter 12. Make sure you read 12-85 (1,2,3) and go down from there. In regards to NOL's and value thereof this book explains it all.
If the link does not work. enter the following search phrase into google.
treasury notice 2008-83 bankruptcy
click on
Mergers, Acquisitions, and Buyouts, August 2012
books.google.com/books?isbn=1454809485
Martin D. Ginsburg, ?Jack S. Levin, ?Donald E. Rocap - 2012 - ?Law
11211 2008—10 IRS NOTICES UNDER CODE §382 TO STABILIZE FINANCIAL ... Bankruptcy Rules 12—328 11211.1.4 Regulatory Authority 12—329 11211.2 ...
Here is another really good resource..
apps.americanbar.org/buslaw/committees/.../preserving_nols.pdf
Now why do I take the time to put this info on here. Way back when we were hosed when we were uninformed about the standard practice of using GSA (Global Settlement Agreement) to settle complex issues in BK courts. We were under the impression our attorney representing WMI would sue all parties for everything they could get because a wrong against a solvent bank had been committed. We were naive' about this and got hosed. We were only saved by the constant barrage of shareholders on the Judge and finally it happened Nate Thoma emerged with concrete data that set the new WMIH shares in play. Our NOL's were going to the creditors before this. We emerged as a new entity with the Continuity of Business restriction on our NOL's in stone. We are here now and it is important that every investor realize why KKR is a SIP (Strategic Investment Partner) in this little Shell.
They will use us as a Special Acquisition Vehicle to acquire companies under the shell to build value, meanwhile those companies will go about their business and revenues will flow to the Shell. Distressed debt acquisitions are on the rise, we are heading in that direction. As value is built KKR and their shareholders will benefit from this special vehicle.
When we are where they want us, they will make a play for us and trade in an all-stock acquisition for the Shell.
Ground-Floor Opportunity. I told the investors on here almost 2 years ago to "set it and forget it" and now we are about to realize why. We are fast approaching the 2 year continuity restriction cut-off.
Gruß
J
Section 382 is triggered when a change in ownership occurs, defined loosely as an increase in ownership interest of at least 50% by shareholders owning 5% or more of the target's stock, over a 3-year period. The precise definition of a qualifying ownership change is complex, but it is sufficient to assume that in any taxable or non-taxable business combination, a qualifying ownership change under Section 382 occurs.
Companies seeking to raise substantial equity financing should consider issuing straight preferred stock (no voting or conversion rights or participation in future earnings) rather than common stock. We are in a phase of stability with keeping with the 382 limitation to protect our valuable NOL's.
Now pay attention to this next part....
Section 382 requires that the buyer meet the continuity of business enterprise requirement; continuing use of the target's historic business or a significant portion of the target's assets in an existing business for 2 years following the transaction. If the continuity of business requirement is not met, the annual NOL limitation is zero. The continuity of business requirement, together with the annual NOL usage limitation, effectively discourage acquisitions of loss companies for their NOL alone.
When marking the acquired balance sheet to fair value under purchase accounting, the acquirer must consider whether it can fully utilize the acquired NOL. If not, the target's DTA attributable to NOL must be written down. Whether or not the NOL can be fully utilized is a function of the Section 382 constraint and the remaining life of the NOL
Here is what you really want to know.
Recall from the equation above that the Section 382 annual limitation is a function of the purchase price.
If a prospective acquirer of a distressed, publicly traded target with large NOL waits until the target's stock price falls further to seek a deal, Section 382 may be more punitive and the NOL worth considerably less than had the acquisition been consummated at a higher purchase price.
Therefore, where a target's NOL are important to an acquirer, the acquirer should be somewhat less sensitive to price and may prefer to act quickly in securing the deal before the target's stock price falls too much and destroys the value of the NOL.
To answer your notes question
The IRS created Section 382 to deter acquisitions of companies with substantial NOL solely motivated by tax avoidance objectives, without any valid business purpose. To accomplish this, Section 382 severely restricts the buyer's use of acquired NOL following a change in ownership, limiting annual use of such NOL to:
The Section 382 limitation may be circumvented if the target and buyer collaborate to sell unwanted target assets with unrealized built-in gains before the acquisition occurs. (Motion to Sell Run-off notes) The target may then use its NOL to offset the gain on the sale without limitation. If the unwanted asset disposal occurred after the transaction, on the other hand, the NOL would be subject to limitation under Section 382 would not go as far in shielding the gain.
It is estimated WMIH will pick up another 3 Billion in NOL's if they sell these assets. This adds more value for the acquirer.
You can not (as an acquirer) acquire an NOL rich company for less than the grossed up value.
books.google.com/...0notice%202008-83%20bankruptcy&f=false
Start at Chapter 12. Make sure you read 12-85 (1,2,3) and go down from there. In regards to NOL's and value thereof this book explains it all.
If the link does not work. enter the following search phrase into google.
treasury notice 2008-83 bankruptcy
click on
Mergers, Acquisitions, and Buyouts, August 2012
books.google.com/books?isbn=1454809485
Martin D. Ginsburg, ?Jack S. Levin, ?Donald E. Rocap - 2012 - ?Law
11211 2008—10 IRS NOTICES UNDER CODE §382 TO STABILIZE FINANCIAL ... Bankruptcy Rules 12—328 11211.1.4 Regulatory Authority 12—329 11211.2 ...
Here is another really good resource..
apps.americanbar.org/buslaw/committees/.../preserving_nols.pdf
Now why do I take the time to put this info on here. Way back when we were hosed when we were uninformed about the standard practice of using GSA (Global Settlement Agreement) to settle complex issues in BK courts. We were under the impression our attorney representing WMI would sue all parties for everything they could get because a wrong against a solvent bank had been committed. We were naive' about this and got hosed. We were only saved by the constant barrage of shareholders on the Judge and finally it happened Nate Thoma emerged with concrete data that set the new WMIH shares in play. Our NOL's were going to the creditors before this. We emerged as a new entity with the Continuity of Business restriction on our NOL's in stone. We are here now and it is important that every investor realize why KKR is a SIP (Strategic Investment Partner) in this little Shell.
They will use us as a Special Acquisition Vehicle to acquire companies under the shell to build value, meanwhile those companies will go about their business and revenues will flow to the Shell. Distressed debt acquisitions are on the rise, we are heading in that direction. As value is built KKR and their shareholders will benefit from this special vehicle.
When we are where they want us, they will make a play for us and trade in an all-stock acquisition for the Shell.
Ground-Floor Opportunity. I told the investors on here almost 2 years ago to "set it and forget it" and now we are about to realize why. We are fast approaching the 2 year continuity restriction cut-off.
Gruß
J
Kann mir eine sagen wenn der jeweiligen nichts wären des Geldes nicht hier ist nennt eine Grund
wir sind nur deinetwegen hier, damit du nicht so alleine bist.
Frech bis du auch noch ....
Manche hier wegen Langeweile da so wie du a.....
Manche hier wegen Langeweile da so wie du a.....
deines letzten Postings zeigt, das du das was du sonst schreibst ein Fake ist, verstell dich nicht-
auch das Net hat Ohren und Augen, einen wachen Geist und spürt Lügen nicht nur auf.
Den Rest erspar ich dir, du würdest ihn vielleicht nicht verstehen wollen.
Schreib nicht zuviel, dein Psotingschnitt gerät aus den Fugen.
auch das Net hat Ohren und Augen, einen wachen Geist und spürt Lügen nicht nur auf.
Den Rest erspar ich dir, du würdest ihn vielleicht nicht verstehen wollen.
Schreib nicht zuviel, dein Psotingschnitt gerät aus den Fugen.
materials.proxyvote.com/Approved/92936P/20140415/AR_205028.PDF
der Partie und stellen unangenehme Fragen?? Ich hoffe es. Und der liebe Nate ist auch dabei
WMI HOLDINGS CORP.
2014 Annual Meeting of Shareholders
To be held on Wednesday, June 4, 2014 for holders of record as of Tuesday, April 15, 2014
You are encouraged to specify your choices by marking the appropriate boxes below. To submit your vote instructions, please select the SUBMIT button at the bottom of the agenda.
If you select the SUBMIT button at the bottom of the agenda without specifying choices among the boxes below, your vote instructions will be cast in accordance with the recommendations of the Board of Directors.
Proposal(s) Recommendations of the Board of Directors Vote Options
1. DIRECTOR
1) MICHAEL WILLINGHAM
2) EUGENE I. DAVIS
3) STEVEN D. SCHEIWE
4) MARK E. HOLLIDAY
5) DIANE B. GLOSSMAN
6) MICHAEL J. RENOFF
7) TIMOTHY R. GRAHAM
For
For All Nominees
Withhold All Nominees
For All Except Selected Below
1) X Don
2) X Altini
3) X Catz - even if he is too busy
4) X Bbanbob - even if he sold
5) X Nate
6) X AZCowboy
7) Mary
2. TO RATIFY THE APPOINTMENT OF BURR PILGER MAYER, INC., AS OUR INDEPENDENT REGISTERED PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2014. AND PERFORM A FULL FORENSIC ACCOUNTING from 2003 to current[/b]
For
For Against Abstain
3. TO APPROVE, ON AN ADVISORY BASIS, COMPENSATION OF WMI HOLDINGS CORP.'S NAMED EXECUTIVE OFFICERS as seen above as well as based on performance for common shareholders.
For
For Against Abstain
WMI HOLDINGS CORP.
2014 Annual Meeting of Shareholders
To be held on Wednesday, June 4, 2014 for holders of record as of Tuesday, April 15, 2014
You are encouraged to specify your choices by marking the appropriate boxes below. To submit your vote instructions, please select the SUBMIT button at the bottom of the agenda.
If you select the SUBMIT button at the bottom of the agenda without specifying choices among the boxes below, your vote instructions will be cast in accordance with the recommendations of the Board of Directors.
Proposal(s) Recommendations of the Board of Directors Vote Options
1. DIRECTOR
1) MICHAEL WILLINGHAM
2) EUGENE I. DAVIS
3) STEVEN D. SCHEIWE
4) MARK E. HOLLIDAY
5) DIANE B. GLOSSMAN
6) MICHAEL J. RENOFF
7) TIMOTHY R. GRAHAM
For
For All Nominees
Withhold All Nominees
For All Except Selected Below
1) X Don
2) X Altini
3) X Catz - even if he is too busy
4) X Bbanbob - even if he sold
5) X Nate
6) X AZCowboy
7) Mary
2. TO RATIFY THE APPOINTMENT OF BURR PILGER MAYER, INC., AS OUR INDEPENDENT REGISTERED PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM FOR THE FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 31, 2014. AND PERFORM A FULL FORENSIC ACCOUNTING from 2003 to current[/b]
For
For Against Abstain
3. TO APPROVE, ON AN ADVISORY BASIS, COMPENSATION OF WMI HOLDINGS CORP.'S NAMED EXECUTIVE OFFICERS as seen above as well as based on performance for common shareholders.
For
For Against Abstain
Kann mir eine schreiben was es hier handelt
wenn s nicht umsgeld um was geht's hier
GELD
Oder bin ich falsche film oder was
wenn s nicht umsgeld um was geht's hier
GELD
Oder bin ich falsche film oder was
bekommen wir die abstimmungsunterlagen dann von unserem broker?
1 - Faster (even a boat is still not repaired)
Vision ist die Kunst, Unsichtbares zu sehen - Jonathan Swift
Zum WMIH Annual Report 2013...
Ein Beitrag aus FB :
The Corporate Strategy and Development Committee of our Board of Directors (the “CS&D Committee”) meets
regularly with Blackstone to discuss and evaluate potential transactions of varying size and across varying
industries. During the year ended December 31, 2013, the CS&D Committee met formally and informally
numerous times and, since Blackstone’s retention, we have contacted more than 100 potential counterparties,
including more than 20 potential target companies. As of December 31, 2013, we had not executed definitive
documentation relating to any acquisition transaction.
Hatten wir das nicht schon im 10 - K vom 14.3.14 ?
VG
Das 10K ist der Jahresreport (demnach zum 31.12). Also dürfte er unverändert sein...
Änderungen dürften höchstens im 10Q (Quartalsreport) aufgezeigt werden.
Handelsblatt 28.04.2014
epaper.handelsblatt.com/vhb_epaper_neo_p/...14-04-28/36/154260
Private Equity
Der Clou der Schattenbanken
Mehr Geld für Deals: Die Spezialbörse Nasdaq und die Private-Equity-Firma KKR planen eine Handelsplattform.
•§Private Investoren sollen die Chance zum Einstieg haben.
•§Private Equity kommt den Banken ins Gehege.
Frank Wiebe
New York
Private Equity ist eine Form der Anlage, die bewusst nicht an der Börse stattfindet. Gesellschaften wie KKR kaufen ganze Unternehmen oder zumindest höhere Beteiligungen auf, strukturieren sie neu und verkaufen sie danach erst an der Börse - oder manchmal an Konzerne oder an andere Private-Equity-Firmen.
Das Geld für diese Transaktionen kommt von Großinvestoren, es wird dann in Beteiligungsfonds gebündelt. Jetzt aber soll es möglich sein, Anteile dieser Fonds via Börse zu versilbern.
Die Branchengröße KKR des Alt-Matadors Henry Kravis und die Technologiebörse Nasdaq planen einen neuartigen Markt, an dem Anteile von Beteiligungsfonds gehandelt werden können. Darüber soll es Gespräche mit weiteren Private-Equity-Unternehmen geben, schreibt das "Wall Street Journal". Dieser Plan, für den es noch keine Bestätigung der Beteiligten gibt, würde in der Tat die Finanzbranche verändern.
Während bisher meist nur Millionengeschäfte in diesem Bereich möglich waren, wäre künftig auch ein Einstieg mit Zehntausenden Dollar möglich, heißt es. Allerdings will sich KKR offenbar ein Mitspracherecht beim Verkauf von Anteilen vorbehalten; außerdem müsste ein derartiges Geschäft mit Monatsfrist angekündigt werden. Zudem soll der Markt nur Investoren mit einer Million Dollar Vermögen zusätzlich zur eigenen Immobilie offenstehen.
Mit diesen Konzept bekäme die Branche andere Geldgeber als bisher. Während sich bislang die Investoren auf Jahre hinaus binden mussten, wären künftig auch kurzfristig orientierte Anleger mit kleineren Engagements dabei.
Die Pläne passen nahtlos zu wichtigen Trends der Finanzbranche. Denn Private-Equity-Gesellschaften übernehmen immer mehr Aufgaben, die früher Banken vorbehalten waren. Sie stoßen beispielsweise auch ins Kreditgeschäft vor. Es sind Schattenbanken, die sich der Regulierung weitgehend entziehen.
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From the latest SEC filing - April 24, 2014
1) Shareholders meeting in NYC on June 4th, 2014
2) Statement [relating to escrow shares] (page 29):
"Based on this investigation, the Litigation Subcommittee has determined not to assert claims against such third parties, other than those which are currently pending and being litigated.
As a result of the Trust’s public disclosures on these matters, at this time WMIHC believes it is increasingly unlikely that it will realize any value on account of Recovery Claims."
---------------------
Well, doesn't sound good for "Billions and Billions" nor for other similar unicorns of massive monies magically appearing for equity-based Escrows.
Don't get me wrong. I have gobs of equity-based Escrows and wished it was going to go differently.
Now, wait for it, my IMHO prediction -- the new 'spin' is going to be focusing on the words "public disclosures" "at this time" "believes" and/or "unlikely" -- eg, claims of unicorns hiding in those words/phrases.
...Catz
Additional Definitive Proxy Solicitation Material — Schedule 14A
Proxy Info regarding Shareholders Meeting Scheduled for June 4, 2014
www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.n4X1y.htm
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From the latest SEC filing - April 24, 2014
1) Shareholders meeting in NYC on June 4th, 2014
2) Statement [relating to escrow shares] (page 29):
"Based on this investigation, the Litigation Subcommittee has determined not to assert claims against such third parties, other than those which are currently pending and being litigated.
As a result of the Trust’s public disclosures on these matters, at this time WMIHC believes it is increasingly unlikely that it will realize any value on account of Recovery Claims."
---------------------
Well, doesn't sound good for "Billions and Billions" nor for other similar unicorns of massive monies magically appearing for equity-based Escrows.
Don't get me wrong. I have gobs of equity-based Escrows and wished it was going to go differently.
Now, wait for it, my IMHO prediction -- the new 'spin' is going to be focusing on the words "public disclosures" "at this time" "believes" and/or "unlikely" -- eg, claims of unicorns hiding in those words/phrases.
...Catz
Additional Definitive Proxy Solicitation Material — Schedule 14A
Proxy Info regarding Shareholders Meeting Scheduled for June 4, 2014
www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.n4X1y.htm
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Interessant...
SEATTLE, April 29, 2014
SEATTLE, April 29, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- WMI Liquidating Trust (the "Liquidating Trust"), formed pursuant to the confirmed Seventh Amended Joint Plan of Affiliated Debtors under Chapter 11 of the United States Bankruptcy Code (as modified, the "Plan") of Washington Mutual, Inc., today announced that it will make a distribution (the "Distribution") of approximately $106 million of Runoff Notes, comprising $81 million of First Lien Notes and $25 million of Second Lien Notes, in each case, issued by WMI Holdings Corp., to certain beneficiaries.
In accordance with the priority of payments described in Exhibit H to the Plan, the Distribution will be allocated to claimants in "Tranche 4" in the following amounts: $7 million to holders of Senior Floating Rate Note Claims; $96 million to holders of PIERS Claims; and $3 million to holders of General Unsecured Claims. Outstanding Liquidating Trust Interests ("LTIs") will be reduced by $93 million in total in the following amounts: $6 million reduction of Senior Floating Rate Note LTIs; $84 million reduction of PIERS LTIs; and $3 million reduction of General Unsecured LTIs.
The Distribution will be initiated by the Liquidating Trust on Thursday, May 1, 2014. A large majority of the Runoff Notes will be distributed to individual beneficiary brokerage accounts; however, certain of the Runoff Notes will be certificated and sent to holders who do not maintain a DTC-eligible brokerage account or to the extent a holder did not provide the Liquidating Trust with relevant brokerage account information. A separate "Frequently Asked Questions" (or "FAQ") regarding the Distribution will be made available to beneficiaries shortly after the Distribution.
Additional information regarding the Distribution will be reflected on the next Quarterly Summary Report for the period ended March 31, 2014, which will be filed by the Liquidating Trust with the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on or about April 30, 2014.
Further information about WMI Liquidating Trust can be found at www.wmitrust.com.
SOURCE WMI Liquidating Trust
Read more: www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1882513#ixzz30JCV8LiQ
www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1882513
And Shit happens Bayern:-((((((((
........hält......!!!
noch Fragen?
noch Fragen?
Aus FB...
zu Beitrag 41348 :
So no cash for Hs ?
And ...
Yes only 96M$ for PIERs this time or less than 5$ per share
Gute Nacht @all
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