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Danke du hast mir jetzt meine Nacht versüßt bzw. gleich meine Träume. Weil der Artikel den ersten der umschwingt es waren fast 18 Negativ Meldungen von diversen Blätter nur an Fr. und jetzt fängt der 1 (Finanztrends) an mit vorsichtig es gibt ja doch noch eine andere Richtung?! Komisch aber alle wollen uns ständig erklären es gibt nur eine Inso. Jetzt dreht sich das 1 Blatt super aja und noch ein Blatt hat geschrieben aber in einer Negativmeldung verpackt, wenn Ca. 0,37 -0,40 kommen dann kann es schnell auf 0,84 Cent gehen. Egal Leute haltet euch an oder schnallt euch fest STH fehlen nur noch paar Mio und dann kann es losgehen :) PS: die Zukunft wird an der Börse gehandelt und nicht vergessen jedes Papier ist geduldig vor allem Bilanzen ;)
www.finanztrends.info/news/steinhoff-braucht-mittel/
Steinhoff braucht Mittel ! Mo-Di Entscheidung !
Steinhoff braucht Mittel ! Mo-Di Entscheidung !
für hohe Verluste bei KTG Agrar sorgte, soll ausgerechnet die Nacht versüßen? Hahaha!!!
Vielleicht kommt die Meldung ja auch schon heute im Laufe des Tages, würde mich nicht wundern.
dass die Meldung jetzt zeitnah - vor dem nächsten Zinszahlungstermin - kommt. Die fehlenden 121 Mio. € sollte Steinhoff schon noch gepackt haben. Die werden seit Wochen daran Tag und Nacht gearbeitet haben.
Ja, die finden über das Wochenende Geld mit Geocaching.
Wenn nicht Inso oder die kommt immer näher, weil keine Bank denen etwas gibt.
Wenn nicht Inso oder die kommt immer näher, weil keine Bank denen etwas gibt.
gibt eine geschlossene Gruppe für Steinhoff ?Wäre interessiert...den Mist mit den ganzen Gestörten hier hier kann man sich nur schwerlich antun...
100 % food speculation free - Don`t let your money kill people ! Respect Africa !
ist immer so, solche situationen ziehen die wirren köpfe und schrägen vögel halt an wie frische kuhfladen die fliegen. das einzig gute daran ist, dass sie dann die anderen threads etwas in ruhe lassen.
Guten Morgen, was meint Ihr?
Steinhoff meltdown keeps going
Jan 14 2018 06:00 Dewald van Rensburg, Lesetja Malope and Aldi Schoeman
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Johannesburg - Regulators, legislators and shareholders are circling Steinhoff.
A potential shareholder class action suit has allegedly already recruited “a considerable number of investors by any measure”, including South Africans.
European Investors and Dutch Investors’ Association (VEB) are groups that pursue class actions against companies on behalf of allegedly wronged shareholders in return for 9% of whatever they win.
They have already signed up South African shareholders in addition to European ones, VEB spokesperson Armand Kersten told City Press.
He would not divulge the number of shareholders they represent or the size of their shareholdings.
“May it suffice, however, that it concerns a considerable number of investors by any measure,” he said.
“Ultimate proof of shareholdings has not, as yet, been validated. It is premature to have a settlement number in mind.
“VEB/European Investors strive for limitation of damages and the highest possible compensation for those having sustained investment losses,” Kersten added.
Dutch law requires that someone who wants to launch a class action first attempt to negotiate a settlement with the alleged culprit.
“Actions may take many years, although the Dutch legal system on class action has a proven track record for expediency, certainly in comparison with systems in other countries,” he said.
Steinhoff will soon face a combined inquiry by three parliamentary committees.
The chairperson of the standing committee on finance, Yunus Carrim, said he would meet his counterparts on the standing committee on public accounts (Themba Godi), and the public service and administration committee (Cassel Mathale) on Tuesday.
They would discuss who should be invited to the combined committee later this month.
Carrim emphasised that the committee would not take over the responsibilities of any statutory and regulatory bodies with jurisdiction on the matter.
He said he had written to the Financial Services Board (FSB), the SA Reserve Bank, the Public Investment Corporation, Government Employees’ Pension Fund, the Independent Regulatory Board for Auditors (IRBA) and the JSE to inform them about the pending hearings, and to ask them to provide the scope or terms of reference of the FSB investigation into Steinhoff, as well as possible timelines for the completion of the investigation.
The IRBA confirmed that Steinhoff’s deadline to respond to a letter it sent the company regarding the matter last month is Wednesday.
In addition, the IRBA announced it would launch an investigation into Deloitte SA’s auditing of Steinhoff.
Deloitte SA CEO Lwazi Bam said: “Deloitte received a letter from the IRBA dated December 14 2017 requesting a written response to allegations of improper conduct in relation to Steinhoff International Holdings.
"Deloitte is fully cooperating with the IRBA and will continue to fulfil its ethical, legal and regulatory obligations.”
Bam said the firm had not received any communication from any other regulatory body relating to the Steinhoff saga.
Bam said that, six days before receiving the IRBA’s letter, they sent the body a “reportable irregularity” letter about potential accounting irregularities at Steinhoff.
The retailer is not commenting at all outside formal announcements made on the news services of the two stock exchanges it is listed on – the JSE and the Frankfurt Stock Exchange.
Anything the company says is simply too price sensitive to communicate any other way, Steinhoff spokesperson Paul Trummer told City Press.
Rumours abound and real developments are coming to light at a dizzying rate.
Steinhoff announced on Thursday that it might prematurely redeem billions of rands in debt instruments issued by local subsidiary Steinhoff Services.
According to a December 19 presentation Steinhoff made to its bankers, these outstanding notes were worth R7.6bn – a small part of the group’s total debt.
According to this presentation, the group’s total outstanding debt was €10.7bn, or more than R150bn.
This comprised an array of loans and bonds across its European, South African and US subsidiaries. Most of it was European debt.
Unnamed analysts told Business Day that this move might be the prelude to Steinhoff selling yet more assets.
The group unconditionally guarantees the notes and the theory is that it might breach a condition of these guarantees if it sells certain assets without first redeeming the notes.
The central puzzle about Steinhoff at the moment is what its assets are worth.
In essence, Steinhoff disguised bad assets, largely consisting of customer credit, on a massive scale.
How and to what extent this was done is impossible to know.
In the absence of any real information from Steinhoff itself, the most detailed account of the shenanigans at the company is contained in a report produced by a mysterious company called Viceroy.
Viceroy is supposedly a three-man team of investor-investigators in New York who have remained anonymous and who produce research attacking corporate valuations.
They have sparked flurries of activity on the JSE by enigmatically announcing that they will soon publish a report on at least one more South African entity.
This has been blamed for otherwise inexplicable, short-term crashes in the JSE share prices of property companies and of pharmaceutical group Aspen.
Wiese now only barely a billionaire
The tremors from the Steinhoff quake have registered on the world’s most famous rich list, published by US business magazine Forbes.
Recently departed Steinhoff chair and major shareholder Christo Wiese has fallen almost to the bottom of the list of Africa’s dollar billionaires.
He lost roughly 80% of his wealth when the price of Steinhoff shares collapsed last month.
Forbes’ latest tally of rich Africans puts Wiese 21st out of 24 billionaires.
His fortune is now estimated at only $1.1bn.
In last year’s list, Forbes estimated Wiese’s wealth at $5.9bn. He was considered the sixth richest African at that point.
Wiese, alongside departed CEO Markus Jooste, has been the face of Steinhoff and its implosion.
He stepped down as chair on December 14 and has taken several personal hits.
Not only have his shares lost almost all of their value, he was also forced to sell 98.4 million Steinhoff shares when banks called them in as security.
Steinhoff meltdown keeps going
Jan 14 2018 06:00 Dewald van Rensburg, Lesetja Malope and Aldi Schoeman
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All sectors of the JSE close the week higher
SA investors want to join Dutch class action against Steinhoff - report
Goldman Sachs is said to join JPMorgan in taking Steinhoff loss
Faceless Viceroy stalks JSE as investors fear Steinhoff 2.0
SA Steinhoff unit mulls early redemption of bonds
Johannesburg - Regulators, legislators and shareholders are circling Steinhoff.
A potential shareholder class action suit has allegedly already recruited “a considerable number of investors by any measure”, including South Africans.
European Investors and Dutch Investors’ Association (VEB) are groups that pursue class actions against companies on behalf of allegedly wronged shareholders in return for 9% of whatever they win.
They have already signed up South African shareholders in addition to European ones, VEB spokesperson Armand Kersten told City Press.
He would not divulge the number of shareholders they represent or the size of their shareholdings.
“May it suffice, however, that it concerns a considerable number of investors by any measure,” he said.
“Ultimate proof of shareholdings has not, as yet, been validated. It is premature to have a settlement number in mind.
“VEB/European Investors strive for limitation of damages and the highest possible compensation for those having sustained investment losses,” Kersten added.
Dutch law requires that someone who wants to launch a class action first attempt to negotiate a settlement with the alleged culprit.
“Actions may take many years, although the Dutch legal system on class action has a proven track record for expediency, certainly in comparison with systems in other countries,” he said.
Steinhoff will soon face a combined inquiry by three parliamentary committees.
The chairperson of the standing committee on finance, Yunus Carrim, said he would meet his counterparts on the standing committee on public accounts (Themba Godi), and the public service and administration committee (Cassel Mathale) on Tuesday.
They would discuss who should be invited to the combined committee later this month.
Carrim emphasised that the committee would not take over the responsibilities of any statutory and regulatory bodies with jurisdiction on the matter.
He said he had written to the Financial Services Board (FSB), the SA Reserve Bank, the Public Investment Corporation, Government Employees’ Pension Fund, the Independent Regulatory Board for Auditors (IRBA) and the JSE to inform them about the pending hearings, and to ask them to provide the scope or terms of reference of the FSB investigation into Steinhoff, as well as possible timelines for the completion of the investigation.
The IRBA confirmed that Steinhoff’s deadline to respond to a letter it sent the company regarding the matter last month is Wednesday.
In addition, the IRBA announced it would launch an investigation into Deloitte SA’s auditing of Steinhoff.
Deloitte SA CEO Lwazi Bam said: “Deloitte received a letter from the IRBA dated December 14 2017 requesting a written response to allegations of improper conduct in relation to Steinhoff International Holdings.
"Deloitte is fully cooperating with the IRBA and will continue to fulfil its ethical, legal and regulatory obligations.”
Bam said the firm had not received any communication from any other regulatory body relating to the Steinhoff saga.
Bam said that, six days before receiving the IRBA’s letter, they sent the body a “reportable irregularity” letter about potential accounting irregularities at Steinhoff.
The retailer is not commenting at all outside formal announcements made on the news services of the two stock exchanges it is listed on – the JSE and the Frankfurt Stock Exchange.
Anything the company says is simply too price sensitive to communicate any other way, Steinhoff spokesperson Paul Trummer told City Press.
Rumours abound and real developments are coming to light at a dizzying rate.
Steinhoff announced on Thursday that it might prematurely redeem billions of rands in debt instruments issued by local subsidiary Steinhoff Services.
According to a December 19 presentation Steinhoff made to its bankers, these outstanding notes were worth R7.6bn – a small part of the group’s total debt.
According to this presentation, the group’s total outstanding debt was €10.7bn, or more than R150bn.
This comprised an array of loans and bonds across its European, South African and US subsidiaries. Most of it was European debt.
Unnamed analysts told Business Day that this move might be the prelude to Steinhoff selling yet more assets.
The group unconditionally guarantees the notes and the theory is that it might breach a condition of these guarantees if it sells certain assets without first redeeming the notes.
The central puzzle about Steinhoff at the moment is what its assets are worth.
In essence, Steinhoff disguised bad assets, largely consisting of customer credit, on a massive scale.
How and to what extent this was done is impossible to know.
In the absence of any real information from Steinhoff itself, the most detailed account of the shenanigans at the company is contained in a report produced by a mysterious company called Viceroy.
Viceroy is supposedly a three-man team of investor-investigators in New York who have remained anonymous and who produce research attacking corporate valuations.
They have sparked flurries of activity on the JSE by enigmatically announcing that they will soon publish a report on at least one more South African entity.
This has been blamed for otherwise inexplicable, short-term crashes in the JSE share prices of property companies and of pharmaceutical group Aspen.
Wiese now only barely a billionaire
The tremors from the Steinhoff quake have registered on the world’s most famous rich list, published by US business magazine Forbes.
Recently departed Steinhoff chair and major shareholder Christo Wiese has fallen almost to the bottom of the list of Africa’s dollar billionaires.
He lost roughly 80% of his wealth when the price of Steinhoff shares collapsed last month.
Forbes’ latest tally of rich Africans puts Wiese 21st out of 24 billionaires.
His fortune is now estimated at only $1.1bn.
In last year’s list, Forbes estimated Wiese’s wealth at $5.9bn. He was considered the sixth richest African at that point.
Wiese, alongside departed CEO Markus Jooste, has been the face of Steinhoff and its implosion.
He stepped down as chair on December 14 and has taken several personal hits.
Not only have his shares lost almost all of their value, he was also forced to sell 98.4 million Steinhoff shares when banks called them in as security.
Der vierte Punkt ist der Lacher am heutigen Morgen.
---Der Ausblick! Es muss sich nun zeigen, wie es bei Steinhoff weitergeht.--
Lügenpresse
---Der Ausblick! Es muss sich nun zeigen, wie es bei Steinhoff weitergeht.--
Lügenpresse
der Satz "Derzeit scheint bei Steinhoff International Holdings alles offen zu sein". Und Leute, so lang wir diesen Zustand haben was besseres gibts doch gar nicht fuer so eine Aktie. So lange das Ding lebt springt der Kurs. Jeden Tag kann man hier durch Kauf/Verkauf was mitnehmen. Bei dem Volumen wird sich daran auch nichts aendern. Von mir aus bleibt dieser Zustand noch eine zeitlang. Geilste Aktie am Markt. Steinhoff, super ! Ab und an Blick auf die Steinhoff Facebook Seite lohnt auch, da wird komprimierter als im Chat die Situation fortlaufend beschrieben.
www.facebook.com/...ternational-Holdings-Ltd-181745342571287/
Am besten gefällt uns das History Video. Bei der Geschichte kann das Unternehmen gar nicht auf die Bretter gehn.
Am besten gefällt uns das History Video. Bei der Geschichte kann das Unternehmen gar nicht auf die Bretter gehn.
Sehr negativ, das Ganze. Liest man so das geschädigte Aktionäre und damit meinen die nicht, die hier um Board befindlichen Kleingeldzocker für sich eine Schadensbegrenzung erzwingen wollen über Sammelklagen, hoher Schuldenstand, da gab es nichts positives.
Der Mutterkonzern bekommt von keiner Bank einen Kredit mehr und irgendwann beginnt das grosse Fressen, da werden die gut laufende Firmen aus der Holding verkaufen müssen und was das heißt...... Weiss jeder.
warten wir mal ab, was in der nächsten Woche wirklich passiert.
Allen einen schönen Sonntag
Allen einen schönen Sonntag
So seh ich das Stand heute auch. Es gibts NICHTS positives, rein gar nichts. Aber, wenn bei dem Ordervolumen der letzten Wochen auch nur 1 positive Nachricht kommt schnallt das Ding ab nach oben. Und in dem Moment muessen wa an der Startlinie sein.
www.fin24.com/Companies/Retail/...down-keeps-going-20180114-2
www.finanznachrichten.de/...en-fuer-die-kommende-woche-061.htm
...kennen noch nicht mal das aktuelle Kursniveau, reden von 50 €ent., so dumm ist kein
Mensch, da schreiben Bots von Bots um „Inhalte“ zu schaffen,
Beim Googlen findet man die Struktur die seit 2010 legal Liquidität über Wege zu einer Tochter auf die Bahamas abführte, ....
www.finance-magazin.de/fileadmin/PDF/...kturen_Grobler_10.pdf
Nebenbei ist die NordLB sicher besonders interessiert das es hier positiv weiter läuft, die sind sei länger Zeit mit involviert, nicht nur über Fonds plus Ratings
Schönen Sonntag
www.finanznachrichten.de/...en-fuer-die-kommende-woche-061.htm
...kennen noch nicht mal das aktuelle Kursniveau, reden von 50 €ent., so dumm ist kein
Mensch, da schreiben Bots von Bots um „Inhalte“ zu schaffen,
Beim Googlen findet man die Struktur die seit 2010 legal Liquidität über Wege zu einer Tochter auf die Bahamas abführte, ....
www.finance-magazin.de/fileadmin/PDF/...kturen_Grobler_10.pdf
Nebenbei ist die NordLB sicher besonders interessiert das es hier positiv weiter läuft, die sind sei länger Zeit mit involviert, nicht nur über Fonds plus Ratings
Schönen Sonntag
Uljanow hier so früh schon so fundierte Argumente unter die Leute bringt. .....ja dann.....
Ist das wohl ein gutes Zeichen ;-)
Ist das wohl ein gutes Zeichen ;-)
An der aktuellen Situation ist rein gar nichts schoen zu reden. Den richtigen Zeitpunkt fuer den Ausstieg finden ist schwer, den passenden fuer den Einstieg zu finden allerdings leicht. Wer jetzt aktuell investiert ist sorry, dem kann man nicht helfen. Man muss auf den newsticker schauen. Positives News dann rein. Alles andere ist bei Steinhoff aktuell leider rot/schwarz Roulette spielen mit reiner Tendenz zum Totalverlust. Rein wenn es Anlass dazu gibt und man nimmt hier binnen Minuten mehrere Prozent mit.
Nur mein Bauchgefühl ;-)
Aber ich bin da auch nicht so verspannt.....Daher bleibe ich auch immer höflich mit den Kontra- SH :-)
Aber ich bin da auch nicht so verspannt.....Daher bleibe ich auch immer höflich mit den Kontra- SH :-)
Leute macht euch nicht gegenseitig verrückt,in Kürze werden wir wissen wie es mit Steinhoff weiter geht! Ruhe bewahren!
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